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0. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:40 pm    Post subject: Why did DDR lose so much popularity in Japan? Reply with quote

I mean, for such a novel concept, why did it lose so much popularity?

Pokemon, while a novel game, was not a novel concept, and was popular for awhile in the late 90s and then lost popularity. However, DDR has a novel concept, so i'm wondering what caused the people in Japan to not play it anymore. Was it that the songs got boring or that the Japanese just have a short attention span when it comes to popular things?
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1. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont know why but i heard its doing really well in america. Anyway where did you hear that its losing it pop. ? Just curious.
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2. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here. ironic? laugh.gif
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3. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It got boring. People gain and lose interest with things quickly in Japan, and it just wasn't fun for the country as a whole anymore (why do you think they're up to 12th style in IIDX?). That's why they said they weren't releasing any new arcade DDR for either a long time or forever.
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4. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

makes sense but i know i couldnt get bored so quickly theres still the fact that i cant pass every song yet
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5. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Why did DDR lose so much popularity in Japan? Reply with quote

phonyreal wrote:
Pokemon, while a novel game, was not a novel concept, and was popular for awhile in the late 90s and then lost popularity.


Pokemon's still reasonably popular in Japan.
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6. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Why did DDR lose so much popularity in Japan? Reply with quote

phonyreal wrote:
the Japanese just have a short attention span when it comes to popular things?


That is one fact. The other is that the number of DDR machines in Japan at the peak exceeded the number of Starbucks in the US, if you can believe that. Overload.

I'm sure everyone here that loved the Macarena kept loving it after everyone and their cousin's stalker's gay dog kept playing it 50 times a day.
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7. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Short attention span?

DDR has been out over there for how many years now?

And hell, DDR has been popular in the US for a shorter amount of time and already people are bored with it to death and play ITG instead, or have quit altogether.
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8. PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been out since 1998 (we all know that), but its popularity started to decline in Japan around Max 2. Ex was the last ditch effort to revive the game and was rumored to be perhaps the last arcade release long before it was actually released. So basically, over 8 mixes plus console versions were released in a four-year timespan. Take that tidbit of the number of machines that Shinmizu posted, and you have a blatant case of overexposure.

DDR got really, REALLY popular with Extreme in the United States, and with new players coming in all the time with the strength of the console versions, it still has a strong fanbase, more or less. It became evident that a race to AAA the game gave people the motivation to stick around. In Japan, that drive wasn't so prevalent. I doubt many hardcore Japanese people stuck around long enough to really care about the minor synching issues and stuff like that. Even the top players there would rather AAA Max 300 for the n-th time rather than fill out a scoresheet of AAA's.
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9. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just hope it lasts a long time here
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Well, what you have to realize, is that America is much larger than Japan and the popularity of DDR in America will vary from region to region, heck, even from city to city. Japan is just one big compression of popularity, where in America, there's always someone out there who's lyet to discover the fun of DDR and when they get a new machine in a small town, then the craze of DDR will sky rocket in that town, where as veteran players in California will grow tired of it and move on. Extreme here has over 2 years being here, where the old players who started out in 5th mix have died out, we're getting many new players all the time and the popularity continues to thrive.
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11. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shinmizu wrote:
That is one fact. The other is that the number of DDR machines in Japan at the peak exceeded the number of Starbucks in the US, if you can believe that. Overload.


Whoa. shocked.gif There were really that many DDR machines in Japan at one time? Wow. Just... wow. I know there are a lot of arcades in Japan, but isn't the number of Starbucks locations in the US somewhere around 5,000?

Anyway, yeah, just like many other things in Japan, DDR came and went as a fad there. Combine this with the overexposure Shinmizu mentioned and you've got something that can't possibly last.
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So I'm guessing that's why it's still fairly popular in some parts in the states? Japan is geographically a small area, and machines were so concentrated that people got tired of it. However, in the United States it's so much less concentrated. It's like putting sugar in water, if you put sugar in a small glass it will be so much sweeter than if you put sugar into a large glass. You will get tired of the sugary taste if the taste is more concentrated than if it is less conentrated.
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13. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beatmania IIDX and other Bemani drawing attention didn't help either, I'm sure... But I've even heard that Beatmania IIDX is starting to decline a bit...
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14. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the reason it died is because they have tripple Ad every song there and there is nothing to challenge them anymore
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15. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pointfiftynine? wrote:
Shinmizu wrote:
That is one fact. The other is that the number of DDR machines in Japan at the peak exceeded the number of Starbucks in the US, if you can believe that. Overload.


Whoa. :shocked: There were really that many DDR machines in Japan at one time? Wow. Just... wow. I know there are a lot of arcades in Japan, but isn't the number of Starbucks locations in the US somewhere around 5,000?

Anyway, yeah, just like many other things in Japan, DDR came and went as a fad there. Combine this with the overexposure Shinmizu mentioned and you've got something that can't possibly last.


Counting just retail stores...

6877 starbucks in the us.

... HOW many DDR machines were in japan at it's peak?
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16. PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard somewhere Pop'n Music is more popular than DDR in Japan; hell, there's even been a few PnM concerts.
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jas wrote:
Counting just retail stores...

6877 starbucks in the us.

... HOW many DDR machines were in japan at it's peak?


Hmm, I didn't realize that there were that many Starbucks. I'll have to do a bit of investigation.

EDIT: Hmm, over 8,000 Beatmania machines sold by the end of 1999, so I'm sure that there were more DDR machines in place than Starbucks at the peak of DDR. I do believe DDR enjoyed a bit of a lead on Beatmania in popularity at one point at least... that and the ridiculous number of DDR machines within walking distance of my dorm before even 2nd Mix came out lead me to believe that, yeah, DDR exceeded Starbucks. E10.gif
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18. PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I heard somewhere Pop'n Music is more popular than DDR in Japan; hell, there's even been a few PnM concerts.


Yeah, it is. Maybe because it's a better game, but that's just my opinion.
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because they finally got a life after like 10 years. goog.gif
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