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60. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit, the whole "If its mainstream, its crap" idea did come into my mind. I mean, video games based off movies usually suck, so one could easily expect it of this. Im going to give them a chance, but I really doubt itll be as revolutionary as they claim.

I see dance games as rising. Despite the fact that DDR has been out there for years, I personaly now see alot of people taking interest in it, or at least around my area. ITG somewhat assured this, and as far as I see MTV is interested in the excellent profits to be made if they can get it right.

If some of this is way off, its because I was too lazy to actually research anything, so dont bite my head off.
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61. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think MTV can possibly get licenses to use for popular artists based on the influences within the music industry, and that would be a great contribution.

But as far as games go, I'm reminded of their past results: MTV music generator 1 and 2, which didn't do well at all. They were basically just generic versions of Acid Music Pro, so I'm really not expecting anything original from them (MTV).
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62. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daggett wrote:
....but they have an uphill battle right now, especially with Amplitude and Beatmania coming around the corner.
Do you mean Guitar Hero? 'cuz Amplitude's been out for a long time.
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I think that this is a great idea. Even if MTV's game sucks uberly, they do have a huge crowd to advertise to. If it resembles anything like DDR or other Bemani, people that never played it before might be swayed to get the good stuff after getting introduced to it through the crappy game(s).
Or (far more likely) they'd see the games that started it all and they'd be jaded from the experience they had and would think it sucks even more.

That is, of course, assuming they had taste.

And the pure irony of all this is that 90% of you want games like DDR to grow, but then you absolutely can't stand newbies. And what do you think will happen whenever these games hit the shelves? You'll have a flood of newbies.

And while this particular conversation has passed...I'm going back to it because I forgot about this thread after I posted it and want to elaborate why I said what I did.
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Guess I'm just a jaded old geezer who remembers when MTV had music-oriented programming like Alternative Nation and Headbangers Ball, and when they played the November Rain video, seemingly in its enterity, like 20 times a day. A day when the non-"music" shows were original and entertaining (remote control, heck even beavis and butthead).

And, wasn't MTV2 supposed to be a 24/7 music video channel when it first launched? I could swear I saw re-runs of MTV's non-music programming on there the other day (the show jackass)
Likewise. Back when I was a retarded elementary school kid, I always thought that MTV was a bad channel that only big mean teenagers watched (probably another thing I should blame my mother for). And then I went to a friend's house one day and saw it for the first time and watched the music video for Paradise City. And I'm like "Huh? Guns 'n Roses isn't what I expected at all!". There was so much atmosphere in the channel, between all the music videos and the funky inbetweeners...and then later on some of the original programming like Liquid Television and B&B and Daria. And AMP!

The shows then were great, but the problem now isn't so much MTV, as it is that MTV hasn't evolved well, and the audience hasn't either. MTV's following what it thinks it has to in order to stay alive, and given the way the record industry works today, that path is destined to suck. There just isn't as much music for them to play because they're held to the same restrictions as the payola players put on radio stations these days, and so they had to fill the void with shows. When I gave up on MTV, I found a home in MuchMusic (many many moons ago), because they were actually playing music and not just running running shows aimed at "music culture".

And yeah, now MTV has a special show that's devoted to music (kinda like reserved parking, I guess), but as everyone knows, TRL sucks because everyone knows they won't play requests unless they were going to play the song anyway, and nobody gives a damn about mainstream American music anymore. So, basically, MTV has the same problem as radio stations now (with forced songlists), and you can't really watch the same TV over and over for hours straight like you can with the radio (which doesn't actually require primary attention). So if you want to blame anyone, blame the music labels.

Now, all that said, Jeff Yapp still needs to be made to realize that his company is not the end-all-be-all of youth culture anymore. Not by a long stretch of the imagination. So he can't just throw out statements like that and expect to win any converts.

Their best shot now would be to drop the MTV name and use a new brand to market the games under, and the quit talking smack and just let the game speak for itself.

PS - That TRL parody in Robot Chicken (X-SPAN) was hee-larious.
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63. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well it's supposed to look like Beatmania as a weight falling on MTV.
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64. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though it didn't stay on the scene for very long, I thought Drumscape was an entertaining game (if that's what you want to call it). As I recall, there was a pretty wide variety of licensed songs to choose from.

If MTV can use its pull to get those licenses (even from one-hit-wonders), I think it would be a good addition to the dance game genre. Because it's true they have no experience in the Bemani field, we can only hope that they follow the Konami / Roxor path and not try to reinvent the wheel. I mean, if they could create a game along the lines of Technomotion with mainstream songs, it would really be cool.

Just think... iidx with "real" licenses... Guitar Freaks with Green Day... Keyboard Mania with Vanessa Carlton... Pop 'n' Music with Hanson... The possibilities are endless! laugh.gif
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65. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if MTV can put current popular songs into a dancing game I think they might have something.
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66. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://gamespot.com/ps2/driving/larush/news_6128223.html

Looks like they're not just gonna do music games...
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67. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No MTV aint gonna make it...
Besides most of there crap will probably have (C)rap
anyway...
Yeah MTV not a good channel since all they show is real world.
all I can think of is a DDR rip off
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68. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's put this into perspective: we have MTV - a service that needs an extra channel for music because its first one doesn't even show music-related shows most of the time (The N plays more music videos than MTV. IN FULL!!!) - planning to do a music game because they "don't think the music space has ever really been done well." (John Yapp) Sounds like a gimmick at best, but who knows? The gimmick may sell. (Paul Newman products, for example) Besides, MTV KNOWS how to sell something, so it may succeed for as long as a video stays on TRL - maybe even longer.

Personally, though, I'm not comfortable with the idea as of this moment.
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69. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

o.O How bizarre, I can't imagine how this will go. I am definitely imagining a DDR rip-off. It prolly wouldn't be a bad idea for MTV to just work with Konami on a game. It would be easier and most likely the safest route. Otherwise, they just might bomb....
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o.O How bizarre, I can't imagine how this will go. I am definitely imagining a DDR rip-off. It prolly wouldn't be a bad idea for MTV to just work with Konami on a game. It would be easier and most likely the safest route. Otherwise, they just might bomb....


Now why would they do that? After all, NO ONE has ever done music games correctly, right? Teaming up with a company that started it yet still hasn't done it effectively just might be suicide! MTV has the video game know-how to get this game made and made well.
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I like how no one has stopped to think that MTV is looking for partners... game developers to be exact... imagine if instead of creating a DDR clone with some random developer... they go for the real deal... Konami and MTV in bed together!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


This idea is interesting. If this sort of thing happened, Konami could have two dancing games. One would be an MTV game, not necessarily a DDR clone since MTV said they want to do something different, with a songlist mainly consisting of mainstream popular music, things like the KR crossovers in DDREX US. The other would be DDR, with a reduced amount of mainstream licenses and more Dancemania licenses and Konami originals, the kind of stuff people here usually want in a game. I wonder with which company(ies) MTV is looking into. Konami doesn't strike me as the first one they'd go to, but there's always a possibility I suppose.
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72. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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MTV has the video game know-how to get this game made and made well.


I'm sure they have the know-how laying around somewhere... the trick will be to see if they actually *utilize* it, or if they throw another Britney's Dance Beat together, and try to market it well.
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73. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somehow I think those gaming magazines that take the perspective of the "average" gamer should "help"... E13.gif
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The Interview wrote:
"It's an area that has been growing but I think there is a huge opportunity. When you look at Dance Dance Revolution…there is an opportunity in that space."


The fact that he singles out DDR bothers me. All of a sudden I'm thinking that MTV will try to persuade Konami to get some of the popular songs played on their channel onto DDR Extreme 2 or their own branded DDR mix.

The Interview wrote:
"Game design is an art. It's like creating great television."


They may have created 'great' television, but do they have any experience in designing actual gameplay?

Music Generator isn't really a game -- it's more like an application. Drumscape isn't really a game either; the arcade guys charge you X tokens to let you use a virtual drumset to whatever songs they have on there. There is no real challenge; you're just doing whatever. Meanwhile, you have an objective when it comes to actual music games.

I'd like to see MTV try. But I'm very skeptical about their entry into the market.
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75. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MTV still knows what music is?!
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MTV doesn't do music. MTV should be renamed the boner network.
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77. PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have seen the games done by MTV, specially music generator. My words: It's not even close to EJAY, not even by one percent.

Now imagine this happening to DDR games, what's going to happen to the future? I just hope they don't stop making GOOD games due to the market of bad games like this.

As long as it's not Barbie feat Britney Spears DDR i will be fine, but I doubt I will enjoy it or anyone. Most of us like a variety of music, but knowing MTV, all what I can expect is a bunch of hip-hop in the whole game.

I just wish they will do a good work.
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am i the only one who sees the irony of someone namedJeff YAPPtalking about something he has no idea about? it's like the episode of seinfeld with the library cop named "Bookman"



if mtv's music game is anything like their channel, you'll have to wait till the 4th sequel to the game to actually own a playable game. the first 3 will be carson daily telling you how to play, but not explaining why there are so many fat to chubby white girls who wear all whites and pastels, while verbaly fapping about rappers i've never heard of. oh yeah, it's also going to be bam margera staging the destruction of his house, and astion kutcher trying to be funny by peeing on puff daddys leg.

they should make an auto racing game. you know, while their in the mood to do stuff that they have no idea how to do. where you can buy upgrades for your car, and by upgrades, i mean a purple metalic flake paintjob with a maroon hisbiscus decal running down the sides, and a fishtank clutch pedal, and 24 lcd screens under the car, with shag carpet interor and a hot tub in back of a 1993 camry. <--- that was before i read the gamesopt article. crap, i was only kidding around, but it looks as though they're actully doing it. i need to learn to not give mainstream america ideas. these days, i just can't put wtf in big enough text.
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Ok. Mtv has had a terrible videogame track record. Celebrity Deathmatch and that abysmal song mixing crap that came out a few years ago.

But they've stretched outside of the television market, with successful movies, by tackling the problem from a different angle: they paid off some independent movie writes with popular short films.

If MTV does the same for videogames this time around, with a halfway-competent staff, then they could make a mint.

I have to admit that I'd rather play some danceable tunes by several artists rather than attempting to enjoy the sounds of some monotonic beeps by several aliases of one person that sucks.
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