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Spike357
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400. PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cam wrote:
Hey guys, just thought I'd let you know when the pannel mod kit is coming out! I emailed cobaltflux a while back and they sent me an email today responding:

Heya Cam,

Actually, the recessed panel setup is going to be a mod that you
install
on site (it's a pretty easy install with a screwdriver) so you could
easily get the platforms now and get the recessed panel kit later if
you
wanted to. In any case, the panel kit should be up in the store
tomorrow
or the next day. E1.gif

Matt Anderson
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www.cobaltflux.com


That's an email that cam got yesterday, so today or tomorrow. Then again, that could mean within the next month, or sometime before Christmas, you never know. laugh.gif
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401. PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For everyone wanting info about the Arcade-Style Mod Kit from CF you should head over and look at there front page right now. Info about the kit and a pic showing what this version looks like (they say various versions will be made) are in the news section.

Ya know, if vance said this would be out in a week or so when he originallly leaked this info on the boards, and here it is now. I now have a bit more confidence that an Xbox/PS2/USB CBox is coming.

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Edit: Beat me to it =P
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Anybody care if we just link the pic?


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EdwardForrester wrote:
For everyone wanting info about the Arcade-Style Mod Kit from CF you should head over and look at there front page right now.


Man that's ugly. I really hope they have a metal version of those panels when this kit is finally released...
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It is a bit spartan, but I'm hoping that'll keep the price low. Looking at it, however, all I can think is, "Man, that's easy." It's really no different than the panel mods folks in the Flux forums have already been doing.

I'm a bit worried about changing the config around when switching between DDR and PIU. The Flux is infamous for suffering from stripped screw holes. Moving the riser panels around between games is going to put a lot of wear on those holes.
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A couple of quick things before i crash...

1. timmytoga-sorry dude. (Does the happy dance in good fun)

2. Sinistar-Well not everyone is a HTML bad buttocks like you who knows how to do that kind of thing E4.gif

3.Trifthen-It does say in the article that a "clear" version will be offered for those who want to keep the CF look. But you know with some paint and some imagination...

I will just also say that i do think it looks a little blah. I mean some diamond plate or something surely could spice things up. But i havent looked for other decals so we shall see.

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P.S. Sinistar, having never heard the phrase "a bit spartan" could you enlighten me please.
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EdwardForrester wrote:
P.S. Sinistar, having never heard the phrase "a bit spartan" could you enlighten me please.


Sparta, aside from being a geographic location, was a fairly militaristic Greek society that practiced self-denial, discipline, restraint, and simplicity. Leisure and luxury were anathemas to the Spartans. Over the course of time, the name of the people became an adjective describing objects or lifestyles that also showed simplicity, pure functionality, an aversion to any design beyond what was essentially required.

Dictionary.com defines it thusly: Simple, frugal, or austere: a Spartan diet; a spartan lifestyle.

So to say the mod is a bit spartan is to say that they really didn't do anything above what was minimally required to do the job. It doesn't look fancy, it has no sense of luxury, it doesn't make you drool like those first marketing photos of the Afterburner did. But it gets the job done.
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Sinistar wrote:
So to say the mod is a bit spartan is to say that they really didn't do anything above what was minimally required to do the job. It doesn't look fancy, it has no sense of luxury, it doesn't make you drool like those first marketing photos of the Afterburner did. But it gets the job done.


And that's part of what confuses me. This is Cobalt Flux we're talking about here - kings of the impressive and shiny pads. Why would they use flat-black arrow covers instead of even something like squares of aluminum flashing? If this really is the kit, I may just have to buy some flashing to spruce them up a bit. riiight.gif
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EdwardForrester wrote:
3.Trifthen-It does say in the article that a "clear" version will be offered for those who want to keep the CF look. But you know with some paint and some imagination...


Clear? Bah.

1. Spray Epoxy.
2. Aluminum flashing.
3. Tin snips or utility knife.

Cut squares, epoxy them to the top of each kit square, assemble as per instructions. happy.gif
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I'm about to buy a Cobalt Flux and I want to use it on my Xbox and on Stepmania. I have an Xbox->USB converter that works great with my Xbox pad and I want to get a PS2->Xbox converter so I can us my CF with Ultramix 2 and Stepmania.

What I want to know is will work if I use bot converters at the same time to play Stepmania with CF? The final setup will look like this:
CF->(PS2->Xbox Converter)->(Xbox to USB Converter)->Stepmania

This is the Xbox->USB converter (works great)

This is the PS2->Xbox converter
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So a Cobalt Flux is better than a RO.

I went through a majority of the RO thread, but not this one. From what I have seen though, people have a lot of nice things to say about this pad.

But I would like to know, could someone post all the bad things they have encountered with it? Whether minor or major, I am not too handy, and if something breaks, I may not be the best to fix it. I want the CF because it sounds like it has great durability and performance. However I want to know any of the little bad things about it are.

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Akisoma wrote:
But I would like to know, could someone post all the bad things they have encountered with it? Whether minor or major, I am not too handy, and if something breaks, I may not be the best to fix it. I want the CF because it sounds like it has great durability and performance. However I want to know any of the little bad things about it are.


Fair enough. Here are the possible bad things:

1) Current control box exhibits incompatibility or severe lag with a range of controller converters (PS2 -> Xbox, PS2 -> USB), enough so that there's a whole thread at the Flux forums tracking which converters work well. It is rumored that these issues will be fixed with the upcoming new control box.

2) A couple of people have run into base cracking wherein a fracture across the vertical center of the base of the pad becomes evident. CF attributed some of those to poor shipping practices on the part of FedEx (they said FedEx "dropped" a bunch of pads), others have happened due to play on thick carpeting.

3) The pad is entirely flat, making it easy to get lost if you can't keep the pad in your peripheral vision. The arcade mod was created to combat that and to give an alternative to those players who want a more arcade authentic feel, but it's an extra exense.

4) It is possible to strip the screw holes in the fiberboard base if you remove and replace the screws too often (or use an electric screwdriver to do so - I've always hand tightened them and have not yet had a problem).

5) The control boxes can go bad after a while, introducing timing errors. If the problem occurs within the first 6 months of your ownership, they'll replace the box. Outside that, you'll have to buy a replacement or make one of your own.

6) No direct support for Xbox or USB at this time. This should be fixed in a month or so, but that was supposed to be addressed a year ago, and, well, it wasn't. So I'm not holding my breath just yet.

7) Some people have had their decals tear and become misaligned. This just requires replacement decals from CF.

8) The pad goes from shiny and new to stomped and scuffed in about 4 weeks of heavy use. This doesn't affect performance, but every Flux owner has that moment when they mourn the loss of their previously beautiful dance surface.

9) The wires going to the individual panels are somewhat exposed and can be pinched by the panels themselves. This can lead to misfires when the wire insulation is rubbed too thin, but in cases where this does happen, the fix is easy enough - wrap the thinned spot in electrical tape.

10) As heavy as the Flux is, it can still move on smooth surfaces. It is sometimes necessary to buy rug grip material to keep it in place, especially on tile or hardwood floors.

Those are the ones that immediately come to mind.
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The metal under the up arrow sometimes bends slightly up and you can almost feel the cord in it, so the up arrow feels a little strange when hitting it if you don't tighten it a bit more than the rest. Also, they've been known to crack if you play on a carpet > 1/2 long. They also need to be cleaned, but not very often.

Except for the crack, these are the only problems I've had.
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Keep in mind that all of those problems don't usually all happen to your pad, if at all... Those are things that come in the CF forums occasionally, but compared to all the people who have CF's, just about all of those rarely happen.

And Sinistar, hand tightening/loosening screws should be being emphasized more often, now that I think about it, using a drill is probably what caused me to strip my screw holes.
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Mit Man wrote:
Keep in mind that all of those problems don't usually all happen to your pad, if at all... Those are things that come in the CF forums occasionally, but compared to all the people who have CF's, just about all of those rarely happen.


I don't know how rare the up arrow bending thing is, it's happened to both of my pads.
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Akisoma,
I do now own a CF as of yet, however I will say this anyways. I have been on the CF boards for quite a while now, checking out any problems and just general research. And when word of the Afterburner leaked I was looking at it as a viable option. But one thing I have noticed about CF, was that any issue that occurs is quickly solved. Either by the owners on the CF boards or the offical support. Now this may sound like a no duh comment, but I have been seeing the lack of support or slow support from RO and yet anytime a problem is posted on the CF boards it is answered as quickly as possibile if a solution is known. And I have heard nothing but love for the offical support as any problems as been solved as fast as the UPS man could drive.

Now this might be just a fan boy ranting here but look at the CF boards and look for yourself. I know that once I get money there will be a couple of shiney new CFs in mi casa soon. Just offering another .02$, take it as you will.

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Mit Man wrote:
Keep in mind that all of those problems don't usually all happen to your pad, if at all...


This is an excellent point to make. Nobody has ever had every one of those happen with their pad. I've had the bad cbox problem myself, but so far, that's it.
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Mit Man wrote:
And Sinistar, hand tightening/loosening screws should be being emphasized more often, now that I think about it, using a drill is probably what caused me to strip my screw holes.


Naw. Drills with adjustable clutches and variable speed triggers usually solve this problem. Just set the clutch to a low setting and don't pull the trigger very hard. I'd hate to try unscrewing all those panels by hand... yuck.
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Ok, so you took a look at their mod and think its but ugly. The brackets are nasty, and the riser panels are not even metal. It's missing an element .. maybe a little bit more violet, or a logo, or the brackets make it look too much like some of the cheap pads you see on ebay.

However, you should take some things into consideration.

Cobalt flux was in a rush to design these mods. They realise that they need a solution in order to stay the top dance pad seller. So they are working on a very early prototype. They said it would be available last week. It wasn't, but CF was faithful to their customers and at least posted a picture of where they are to satisfy eager customers. They know it's ugly. It's a short term solution. An alpha! They asked for your suggestions, now let yourself be heard. Although I will probably not get this mod because its sadly very very ugly, you have to give them props for trying. I still think that they are the number 1 dance pad manufactorer in the world. Not only is their product excelent, but their customer relations is superb.

Ok, so I was going to build my own arcade mod like someone did with the diamond plate sheet metal. So, I went to Lowes and just as I was about to start off on a new project, I looked at the price tag. I need 10 11"X11" plates to cover both of my pads. that would take 2 of the 24"X48" sheets that they sell. The price? 86 dollars per sheet! Screw that!!! So I later searched online and found a business online that cuts the diamond plate and sells it by the square inch. It should total to under 100 bucks. The point of me telling you this? Shiny metal is very expensive. Sexy shiny metal is what we all want. They know that! Do you know how expensive these mods would be if they sold them out of that diamond plate? After the price mark up, and shipping.. yeah... it would be unreasonably high. So, I'm sure they are looking for a solution, we just need to wait. I did happen to see this :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=45046&item=7520201311&rd=1

That would give the metalic look for those who only care about looks. Me however.. I want metal.. something my feet will be able to relate to the arcade.

So chill people...
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