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Brick Tamland(LoveRevenG)
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1.  Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: Re: AA, or Higher Score, Which One Wins? |
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| -LoveRevenG- wrote: | | Me and my brother were playing DDR Ultramix on our X-Box yesterday, and we finished the song and we were confused. I got an A, and he got a AA. But, I had a higher score. Which one wins?? I would say who ever has a higher score because obvioulsy they did better in perfects. What do you guys think? |
Well, it's actually hard to say. I guess it depends on the situation, like yours  .
~In some cases it could be the way that the greats and perfects come out. Some people have complained that they shouldhave gotten a AA on a song because they only had perfects and greats. Well, to tell you the truth, it's not that simple. You have to accumulate a certain percentage of the perfects to maintain a AA. For example: If you're playing the song CSFIL (speed mix) and you get this:
Perfects: 373
Greats: 60
Good: 0
Boos: 0
Ok: 22
...and you think that you've acccomplished AA material... think again. If you take a second look at this, you'll notice that you're greats, you have a bit too many. Your greats take up about 15% of the entire score total. You would have had at least 40-50 greats to maintain a AA. That would be only 10% of the song point value. See?
Also, i once, too, had an instance where my score was higher then my brother's but he AAed something. I was thoroughly confused and tried to investigate it. The only conclusion i came to was the amount of greats and perfects.
I'm not sure if that helped or not, but that's the jist of how the scoring goes 
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Slowpoke
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| 2. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: Re: AA, or Higher Score, Which One Wins? |
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| -LoveRevenG- wrote: | | I would say who ever has a higher score because obvioulsy they did better in perfects. |
No, you're saying it's the higher score because obviously you were the one who had the higher score.
Ignore scores... higher grade wins. And your premise was wrong to begin with... the person who had the better grade is the one who had the better PA. |
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figgy20000
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| 3. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:55 am Post subject: |
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Slowpoke, that isn't true at all.
Although this is an extreme... take a person who got 2 greats and 10 misses on MaxX Unlimited, one dp short of an AA, only got an A.
Now take a person who got 99 greats and a good halfway on MaxX Unlimited. AA. Which would you SERIOUSLY consider better?
Not only that, but the top person would have a significantly higher score.
Now, these are in the extremes... but in general when non-combos occur the person with the better PA wins out scorewise, but definately not always grade wise. When it comes down to great count, or only a few non-combos, score really is worthless as the notes later on are worth more than in the beginning. |
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Julie QQQ...?
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| 4. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure this goes for UM too, since all the mixes have used some variant of a weighted scoring system... higher score isn't necessarily attributed to Perfects.
| In another thread on the second page, I wrote: | Not many people pay attention to the numeric scores since a Perfect at the end is worth more than a perfect in the beginning (the steps are weighted), so if two people black flag a song, the person who gets their one Great later in the song gets a worse score than a person who flags it in the beginning, and would lose, even though they get the same amount of Greats.
That's why most serious players talk about scores in Missing DP/Great count, because it attributes most to a letter grade score and is more valuable when trying to chart someone against someone else. The only thing I can think of numbers being an important factor would be Oni (where the numbers are a lot smaller and people who are good at Oni mode know what a good score is for a particular course) and Nonstop mode, where people usually use the first two to four digits to describe their score since machine score is what determines rank on a chart.
Like, when I talk about my Cartoon Heroes score, I'd say, "Oh, I got 42 Full Combo" and most people would know I made the cut for AA, or I'd say, "My best was 24/2/1", or "I got 34 Missing DP" (since a Great counts as 1 Missing DP, a Good is 2, and a Boo is 6).
Letter grades are good, but aren't so accurate. Say someone goes, "I AAed 1998!" Well, an AA is always an accomplishment, but the cut for 1998 is 46 Greats (or any combination of it, like 44 Greats and a Good, 36 Greats and a Miss, etc.), so when you AA 1998, you could have anything from 1 to 46 Greats. It's an even bigger gap when you A (an A on 1998 is anywhere from 47 to 131 Greats or Missing DP equivalent). |
I'm not sure this goes on UM, but it's one of the things that annoys the crap out of me on Max and Max 2 US -- you can get an AA with a Full Combo, an AA that's quite undeserved if you ask me. Say you get like, 2 Perfects and the rest Greats, you'd get an AA on those two PS2 versions. |
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Slowpoke
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| 5. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| figgy20000 wrote: | | Although this is an extreme... |
The only way your "extreme" scenario could happen is if one person was playing on a busted pad. Also, I guess it also depends on how you're defining PA. Sounds like you're only thinking in terms of Perfect-to-Great ratio... but if someone gets a lower Great total, but a boatload of non-combos, that sounds like bad PA to me, unless (like I said) the pad is broken or they fell off the pad and blew a bunch of steps. |
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PARANOiA -Respect-
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| 6. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:09 am Post subject: |
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score.
if he got an AA with all greats,and you got an A with all perfects and 1 good, you win. |
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CStarFlare
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| 7. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Grade.
How much each step is worth changes depending on where you are in the song (IIRC, steps are worth a lot more near the end).
(EDIT: This only applies to arcade versions and Japanese CS games)
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| 8. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| Paranoia_Max_Dirty_Mix wrote: | score.
if he got an AA with all greats,and you got an A with all perfects and 1 good, you win. |
You can't get an AA with all greats. (At least, on Arcade variants and the first Ultramix to the best of my recollection_
EDIT: You also can't get an A by hitting all perfect except for one good. (This is true on all versions.)
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CStarFlare
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| 9. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Well, on certain home versions you can. I'm not sure if you can on Ultramix since I havn't spent too much time with it, but I know you can on the US versions of Max and Max2.
Which actually makes this question hard to answer. The best way to go about it would be to compare dance points, but that would take too long for most people.
To be honest, it might be better to just look at the steps and compare the numbers yourself on games where you get a AA for a FC. It's usually not too hard to see who did better based on that. |
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| 10. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| ShrtysSk8er wrote: | | You also can't get an A by hitting all perfect except for one good. (This is true on all versions.) |
Ever play Extreme US?
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| 11. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure what the official rule is for this situation, but my friends and i go by grade no matter what. But thats just us. |
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Slowpoke
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| 12. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Paranoia_Max_Dirty_Mix wrote: | | if he got an AA with all greats,and you got an A with all perfects and 1 good, you win. |
Except that doesn't happen on Ultramix. |
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| 13. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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 erm.. i had something but my brain cells just popped.  |
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| 14. Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The higher score always wins, but if you are going to pay attention and show off you're not going to post your numeric score , it's the letter grade that everyone pays attention to. Only use the numeric system if you got the same letter grade or you got more perfects but he got a AA like in this scenario. |
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| 15. Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:47 am Post subject: |
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Grade. I don't even look at the score anymore. If I was going to look at who wins in versus, I would actually look at the number or Perfects, Greats, etc. because it really gives a better perspective on who really won.
So I change my mind. DANCE POINTS.
Go back to the roots of the grade and score. Just look at the numbers and decide from that. |
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| 16. Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:39 pm Post subject: yiudy7i |
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| AA definately wins. I realized this yesterday. I playes 321 Stars on Standars then on heavy. I AA'd both time but the score for standard was almost twice as high. I dont understand it but the lesson of this story is that teh grade matters, not the score. |
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| 17. Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:33 am Post subject: |
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AA wins because it is teh two dee ecks snog :B
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| 18. Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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Well, when you're talking about home versions, the score wins because the game takes the highest score on that song and that's the official grade. I know countless times when I got an A on a song, but it overwrote the AA because the score was higher.
I don't know if this post makes any sense, I didn't proofread it for coherence. |
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[ES] GARYsurvivor
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| 19. Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Baggage wrote: | | Well, when you're talking about home versions, the score wins because the game takes the highest score on that song and that's the official grade. I know countless times when I got an A on a song, but it overwrote the AA because the score was higher. |
If the match was between you and your home version, then I guess the score counts. If you are playing againts anything else, then the grade matters. |
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