Trouble in Groove-land

nayten · Trick Member Joined: 19 Sep 2004

Wow, this case is incredible. Roxor and Komani both seem to have a lot of detail and reasoning to bring to the court room. Roxor appears to be prepared for such action. I guess this explains and will reinforce their partnership with Andamiro for manufacture the new ITG2 cabinets. And hopefully- though the home software has not been specifically targeted by Konami- they won't file a similar suit for the PS2.

Takeru51 · Trick Member Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Location: Washington

you know, i dunno if anyone said this before me, seeing as the forums 20 pages long i didnt bother to read ALL of it...
ive never played ITG before, im sure its not bad seeing as it appears to be the exact same thing as ddr, more or less, but i think what we should be getting out of this is what konami is doing. if konami was REALLY done with ddr in the arcades, why would they bother with sueing roxor, its not like they have any more competition there... i dont care what anybody says about 'Extreme was the last mix" i dont buy it, and i think this shows that its not more than anything, short of a review/press release of DDR Extreme 2

Bolt-Edge · Trick Member Joined: 01 Sep 2004 Location: Mayfield, OH

Well, we dont really know if their konami is making a new mix or not, its all a matter of time
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Catastrophe · Trick Member Joined: 04 Mar 2002 Location: Worcester, MA

I posted fanatically in this thread during the first 14 pages. My goal was to explain why Konami should be doing this. I know that some people here like ITG. I've played ITG too. But you can like ITG and still say that Konami is right.

Since this is an Internet forum, I shouldn't have to repeat myself. My posts are still there in the first dozen pages. (This thread isn't that long.)

I've already explained why this is different from fighting games. I've already explained why this is patent infringement. Believe it or not, you cannot do whatever you want with something that you own, especially when you're in buissness. I've already explained why RoXoR was foolish to think that this wouldn't happen. (Counsel or not.) And I've already explained the meaning of unfair competition and why Konami does deserve some or all of RoXoR's profits. Without fan-bias, the case looks really bad for RoXoR.

This is what I've read so far:
pro-Konami people:
- "RoXoR does deserve this." / "I'm glad Konami that Konami cares."
- Explanations as to why RoXoR was acting illegally.
- "Fanboys can die."

pro-RoXoR people:
- "This is unfair!" / "Konami is just bullying RoXoR around."
- Questions about the law. (Generally comes from both sides too.)
- "Fanboys can die."

So the discussion is pretty symmetrical, except for the part where RoXoR is wrong. The pro-RoXoR people who think that BoXoRs are totally fair should come up with good reasons why. Legal reasons for why BoXoRs should be allowed to exist would be good too, but there aren't any. But RoXoR fans should try anyway.

Takeru51 · Trick Member Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Location: Washington

i have a hard time thinking that a business would waste time and money with a lawsuit if it was no longer in the industry. despite what people say businesses dont just bully smaller ones around for no reason, besides ive read pleanty of sources saying that konami was intent on taking a 2 or so year break after extreme to make the next mix, dont you think konami would have said something at some time if they were going to not make anymore mixes? the pessimists just gave up because it didnt happen right away. but i digress...

the case looks terrible for roxor, i dont think they have any hope of winning against konami, because not only have they more or less copied konamis idea (which HOLDS A PATENT), but they even offer kits specifically to change konamis, and only konamis, product... not a good idea, they should shoot their lawyers.

Phil ver0 · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject:

Payback for Andamiro a few years ago?

Andamiro and Roxor = One Company.

Alezay · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject:

orb · Trick Member Joined: 20 Nov 2002

This topic is not even worth arguing about anymore.

Just stop talking and wait and see what happens.

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DAF · Trick Member Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Location: In CP

This is unfair. If Konami made a new DDR in the first place there wouldn't be any problem...but everyone's gonna say that anyway. It doesn't seem right though that a DDR cabinet has to be modded to play ITG.
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0rion · Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:

As neat as some of the things in In The Groove are, I have to side firmly with Konami on this. Nothing against ITG specifically or Roxor in general, but Konami has a very legitimate complaint here.
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DDRNemesis · Trick Member Joined: 10 Jun 2004 Location: Bryan, OH

This is getting way out of hand. That would be funny though if Konami bought RoXor and started to produce ITG as a seperate game to DDR!
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Light_373 · Trick Member Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Location: Chicago