Trouble in Groove-land

[Dawgbowl]

well, I was starting to enjoy ITG (at least on SM) but this was definitly (as mentioned) a planned strike.

Whats 50,000 copies of ITG for the pS2 if you can't sell them...

give them away.


But seriously, if Konami's going to do this they really should make us a damn mix, they want us to suffer.
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[Disconnected airSpirit]

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If anything, this whole issue might actually get Konami's ass in gear and they'll realize another arcade mix might work. I'd still play it, but right now, i'm squarely in the groove armada. This is also pretty good publicity for RoXoR if they come out ok through all of this, this is already the largest nonaccomplishments thread in this entire section of the boards and it hasn't even been alive for 6 hours yet
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theficionado wrote:

Seriously, they should make some sort of spray for you.

[Fr0sty]

Well since ITG just started appearing in Japan, I wonder what Konami's got to think...

With all this activity, I'm sort of wondering what's going on. Maybe it's just speculative speaking, but consider these facts:

1) Paula Terry confirmed doing a new song with Naoki. Paula Terry works in Japan (or at least did) and thus, getting her songs to a console mix straight off would seem unlikely but possible (but going to an arcade mix seems more likely because doing a song with the artists of that caliber just for a console mix... just wouldn't make sense).
2) UM3 // Ex2 are coming out. Ex2? Not many console mixes come out without a respective arcade mix. Not many ones named like an arcade mix anyway (i.e. you don't see a console named Max3 do you?)
3) Konami spends all the time and money promoting DDR in the US during fitness conventions.
4) Konami acknowledges their American success.

I mean there are more than a few hints that a new arcade mix may be in the works, but perhaps I'm just optimistic...

[devillion]

YES! FINALLY!

Go konami. Stop this bullshit theft that american companies are doing to your product line. Thank god that you are finally defending yourself! I've been waiting for this FOREVER. I'm tired of stupid bullshit knockoffs and stepmania-in-a-cabs being hailed as "better than ddr/bemani". I'm tired of konami not caring about their product line. And i am tired of the abuse that American game distributors/makers are doing to konami.

I hope this opens the floodgates and konami sues the pants off of all the bootleggers, cabmodders, and theives. All of them.

frick bemani-clones, when the real thing will be FAR better than they can ever come to.

[Edible Bondage Tape]

[Shinmizu]

[unlucky911]

I've never played ITG...ever and Konami's trying to make it disappear forever... It's okay I guess. After DDR, no other dance sim would ever be as original or as good...

[Juli no Fooly]

[Disconnected airSpirit]

[Apollochan]

One thing about Japanese fads is that they tend to go in spurts... Something will get popular for a few years, and die down... Usually, after a period of time, it almost always come back with the next generation, usually 5-10 years after the beginning of the previous boom. The exact same thing happened with ParaPara dancing... Three times (so far).

This said, I would say that it is like that Konami's hiatus on producing DDR arcade cabinets is exactly that. A hiatus. I would imagine that they honestly plan on bringing it back in a year or two and pushing a new DDR boom onto the next generation of fans.

The problem with that is, if ITG cabinets start spurting up all over Japan, it entirely changes the cycle for them, and it could easily minimize any plans for a future boom, bring the boom on prematurely (probably lessening it), and worse, give Konami strong competition over a market that they have mostly dominated.

Anyway, that is the only explination I can come up with as to why Konami would care about the arcade cabinets.
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~Apollochan
Formerly the Dancing Panda

Edits hosted on UM2:
RED-EYES (In My Eyes)
HOT-2k12 (Gorgeous 2012)

[ark_keeper]

All these people wishing for ITG's death and talking about just waiting for this day since ITG was announced need to GTFO! These are fellow DDR players that made a game for everyone's enjoyment, it sold well, so they are improving more on it. Be happy for them, and be happy you have new songs to play in the arcade. Or don't, but don't wish for their demise.


Anyway, screw the courts! BATTLE ROYALE AT E3!!!!!!! WINNER TAKES ALL!!!
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Moooooo

[Juli no Fooly]

I notice a lot of you demanding a new arcade mix. Must we review: KOJ makes aracade mixes for Japan. Japan does not CARE about DDR. Nor does KOJ market to places such as NOT-JAPAN (for example, America, England). The mixes we ususally see in America are JAPANESE, and not only japanese, but I assure you that very few of you have a local machine with an authentic upgrade kit. Why? Because it's much easier for and arcade running company to buy one copy, make illegal copies of that (sometimes as crude as a burned CD-R) and but a lot of those out in their arcades. While demand is high in America for DDR, to actually make an arcade mx for america they would probably need a, you know, arcade division here. And Once they did that they may, you know... crack down on all those burned discs. This miiiight be a bad thing, for us arcade rats at least. And even if they ignore that issue completely, they'd probably start suspecting those resold cabinets. And those megamixes. And of course al lthe profit arcades make on DDR in America that they have only see na tiny fraction of so far (namely the few authentic upgrade kits in America).

Now, even if we don't pay attention to this whole burned/illegal disc thing that's going on, well, like I said, they'd need to set up a division here. Then make a game for America. Then they'd probably add uncool stuff like, say, on the European mixes (so Europe, but EWW).This would also take a long time.

Now the ideal thing would be for KOJ to release a new Japanese mix, and we could get it just like we got Extreme: bootlegs and the internet. Don't look at me like that. You go open up your local machines. however, again, this would require JAPANESE interest, you know, because that's what they'd officially pitch it at. They won't release a game for people to pirate. That does not make SENSE. What does make sense to Konami right now is more Pop'n/IIDX, because that makes profits, and more domestic home versions stateside, because jesus CHRIST that is profitable (I'm quite proud of selling quite a few copies of Max2/Max/Extreme (in order of preference) at Gamestop, as well as many 100$ red octane mats (6 in a month once, which is RIDICULOUS, especially at a non mall store, at to people who know nothing about the game).

While the guy above me makes a point on fads and what's instyle, DDR isn't right now. Sorry. Suing a company for infringing on a copyright doesn't mean OMG WE MUST MAKE A NEW MIX NOW FOR TEH AMERICANS TO ENJOY BUT NOT PAY US FOR, it means Hey, stop stealing our shit.

Oh yea, someone suggested recently importing DS Fusion. Eeeeeew. Last I checked it was PAL anyway, so you'd have to get a new cabinet anyway, or a new computer inside at least, or modifiy the disc, if possible.

EDIT: Holy crap that's long.

[Junior Asparagus]

I don't know the specific details enough to comment. I'll just wait it out and play whatever is available to play.

That said, from reading this thread, I think there are a lot of you out there who wouldn't make very good businessmen...
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[Miss Toy]

/me laughs with Junior Asparagus about "businessmen" comment.



About the only thing with which I've agreed in this thread is on the first page of the thread. It sounds like Konami is only targeting the arcade release, and not the PS2 version.

Also, since ITG2 has all new cabinets designed by Andamiro, and not just using Konami's technology, I wonder what kind of effect that would have....

[Shinmizu]

[yyr]

[Cutriss]

[Lobster Jesus]

Whoa wait! I thought that ITG got all the legal crap out of the way so Konami couldn't file a lawsuit against them.

And Ex. 2 still isn't confirmed yet. It may not even be called Extreme 2, maybe Party Collection.
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