Trouble in Groove-land

sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

Yes because by your logic nobody would've bought DDR in the first place because it comes in a brand new cabinet instead of being able to just replace a marquee and the internals.
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epilonious · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject:

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=8047007#8047007

LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:

Well, unless I'm wrong, the majority of us aren't lawyers and don't know what legal grounds RoXoR has, so we're not going to say anything.
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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

psyton has sucecssfully OWNED this thread.
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MiniMoose · Trick Member Joined: 29 Sep 2003 Location: Yokosuka, Japan

How come so many people are calling Konami evil? There just a company and Roxor violated their patent. Dont get me wrong I love In the Groove and DDR. But just because Konami doesnt make anymore arcade mixes doesnt mean they should give up their patent or not protect it. I know its been forever since they made a new arcade mix for DDR, but the havent said its over and done with yet.

Besides Konami makes IIDX and Pop'n, how can that be evil?

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Sk37ch · Trick Member Joined: 02 May 2004

My first response was "GGAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh......................."

This is good, good news. And then again, this is bad, bad news. Only because, no matter what, DDR is seemingly more important that ITG. DDR has better steps according to most people, and more sensible ones at that. DDR makes solid oni courses and reasonable gameplay. If Roxor sued Konami, it wouldnt be nearly as big of a deal. (Not that theyd have any reason to, but just for logical symmetry of an argument...)

While ITG produces some form of stability that the American dancing game community yearns for, it isnt DDR. By Konami placing a law suit on ITG, it shows that Konami is at least paying attention to America's arcade dancing games and maybe it truly sees the success of ITG and actually do something about it.

Dont get me wrong. I dont oversee what ITG has done for the American dancing game community. Although i generally dont care for ITG, when it first came out i was excited and over thrilled that there were people that loved dancing simulation games so much, they took the next step and made a new one for us. I mean im quite sure that if it were possible enough, the makers of ITG would make a new mix of DDR all together themselves so we'd all be happy. I think they did a great job at making a dancing game for us close enough to DDR without getting sued, or at least we all thought so for some time. I definately credit ITG makers for this, and if a lawyer can pull up some figures and stats, maybe they can somehow incorporate how poor a job Konami has done in paying attention to the profits and economics involved in the American arcade dancing game scenario. I myself wouldnt know how to legally argue that out in court, but im sure theres gotta be an argument in that.

In laymen terms, Roxor can turn around and say "this is what you get for ignoring us." (Making ITG) Lets not forget ITG was made by DDR players. On the other hand, Konami can turn around and say "this is what you get for copying off of our product." (The law suit.) I feel that both companies have a right to their side of the story. Konami is protecting their creation, and Roxor is not only pleasing all of us, but at the same time exercising capitalism. There are millions of DDR players in America and it seems that a small group from Washington took the initiative to make another dancing game when one was needed badly AND make money off of it. I guess the whole star wars scroll thing just didnt pull off the whole "this game is legally different" argument. I personally never saw how that couldve been argued in court. At least with PIU there were 5 arrows. ::SHRUGS::

With the whole arcade cabinet thing, i have no idea. I dont see how Roxor can argue that one out because they made ITG without any cabinet whatsoever so what are they going to tell the court? "We made software and we were planning on making cabinets a year or so later so everyone that purchased ITG from us just had to wait..."? No, its pretty obvious they made ITG for DDR arcade cabinets and thats going to be a hard blow on Roxor. I dont know the legalities involved in that but anyone with a brain could guess that that was a risk from the beginning. Im actually surprised it took Konami this long to do something about it. Maybe it was the fact that ITG is coming out for PS 2 soon or somthing.

I personally side with both of them. In the end, i want Konami to win but only if it means that they start paying attention to us...ie; making new mixes. (And REAL new mixes, not these G2 Sakura Maximizer ten footers and insulting songlists that are dumb easy...but one step at a time...) Otherwise, if thats something they dont see themselves doing, then to hell with them because even though i dont prefer ITG, its better than having no mixes at all. It sparked a flame in the DDR community, but overall like i always say...theres no dancing game like DDR. It would be nice for Konami to take over ITG and make new DDR mixes. I dont see why they wouldnt. If ITG wasnt such a success then i doubt they would go out of their way to make a lawsuit out of it in the first place. Furthermore, if Konami was making new mixes, i doubt that ITG wouldve been made at all. When i was debating with Foyboy when ITG first came out for beta testing, this is the impression i got from him; that a good portion of the reason that ITG was made was because DDR wasnt making anymore mixes. Sure it was profitable and innovative and fun, but he basically stated that ITG was picking up where DDR left off, hence doing us a big favor.

I wish both the companies the best. Id rather this thing conclude with a new DDR mix than Roxor continuing ITG. Hell, id rather both companies continue to make their product, but due to this, that obviously will be very hard to do.

-Ant / Sketch

PS- Has Konami ever thought about that petition? They did it with IIDX with 7th style, and now theyre up to 9th. Maybe if they asked for a petition, it would prove to them that enough people want to see more production from the company.

tyler2dx · Trick Member Joined: 09 May 2004

1. Take a street fighter 2 cabinet.
2. Put a mortal kombat board inside.
3. Re-postition block
4. Watch capcom file a lawsuit against midway for copyright infringments pertaining to cabinet manufacture.
5. Watch capcom lose.
6. Uhhh... bye.

LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject:

Roxor isn't the one telling people to replace ddr with in the groove..it is a conscious decision by an arcade owner to do that...
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Oh Snap!

wow, I knew this was going to come eventually, lets just see what happens
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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

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LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:56 pm Post subject:

I will testify after having played on the Afterburner pad that it is more arcade authentic and overall a better pad then the CF..and i've played on both of them. RoXoR is still getting on its feet so i don't see what kind of money Konami is hoping to get out of this :/
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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet