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0. PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2003 11:14 pm    Post subject: Freestyle vs PA prizes Reply with quote

Ok, what's the deal with Freestyle getting better prizes than PA? More people enter PA tourneys and it takes a lot more effort (sometimes not true) to get better at PA. So far, almost every semi-big tournament has decent prizes, but they're freestyle prize is almost always better than the PA prize. I seriously think that if PA prizes were better than Freestyle prizes a lot more people would practice and try to win other than creating routines to try and win a better prize, or just not go at all.

Think about it this way. There's 60 entrants for PA, and 30 for freestyle (just a random guess-timate average). PA will get a modded ps2 w/ beatmania IIDX games + controller, Panasonic DVD/nintendo Gamecube, and 40% prize money. Freestyle wins a Max2 machine.
That would mean about $1,000 for PA and $4,000-$5,000 for Freestyle. Does this seem right? I mean, yes there is some entertainment and difficulty in Freestyle, but enough to totally bypass everyone who practices almost everyday to get better opposed to someone who practices once in a while until he thinks he should make a routine?

Just wondering what you all think about this. E15.gif

(Note: And yes I know some freestyle players play a lot, sometimes even more than some of the best PA'ers)
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1. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 12:36 am    Post subject: Re: Freestyle vs PA prizes Reply with quote

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Ok, what's the deal with Freestyle getting better prizes than PA? More people enter PA tourneys and it takes a lot more effort (sometimes not true) to get better at PA. So far, almost every semi-big tournament has decent prizes, but they're freestyle prize is almost always better than the PA prize. I seriously think that if PA prizes were better than Freestyle prizes a lot more people would practice and try to win other than creating routines to try and win a better prize, or just not go at all.

Think about it this way. There's 60 entrants for PA, and 30 for freestyle (just a random guess-timate average). PA will get a modded ps2 w/ beatmania IIDX games + controller, Panasonic DVD/nintendo Gamecube, and 40% prize money. Freestyle wins a Max2 machine.
That would mean about $1,000 for PA and $4,000-$5,000 for Freestyle. Does this seem right? I mean, yes there is some entertainment and difficulty in Freestyle, but enough to totally bypass everyone who practices almost everyday to get better opposed to someone who practices once in a while until he thinks he should make a routine?

Just wondering what you all think about this. E15.gif

(Note: And yes I know some freestyle players play a lot, sometimes even more than some of the best PA'ers)


I know that I worked my butt off for three months to try to win a Max2 machine in a big tournament. And that's the thing. (we hope that) Freestylers put a lot of effort to perform for the crowd. PAers can get practice in whenever (which I've seen one person not play for a month and still place in the top 3 in a competition), but performers have to remember the steps, techniques and moves which requires constant practice.

And not all tournaments have the FS prize as a better prize. If you look at the big 64 person tournaments, the winner walks off with $350-$400, compared to the FS competition where the winner goes home with just $40 or $50.
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2. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite frankly I have never heard of Freestylers getting the better prize in a tournament. PA people always get the better prizes.

Where are these tournaments?
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3. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Argutiae Phrek wrote:
Quite frankly I have never heard of Freestylers getting the better prize in a tournament. PA people always get the better prizes.

Where are these tournaments?

He was talking about the CyberBeat Nation(CBN) tourny in socal not too long ago. Bruce Leroy won that Max2 machine for his mikeneko rock FS routine.

Tigger won the PA prize.
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4. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In what city are these tournaments you speak of?
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5. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsunami. wrote:
In what city are these tournaments you speak of?


Geez... Where are you people living? In a black hole?
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6. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tsunami Goten of Level 6 wrote:
Tsunami. wrote:
In what city are these tournaments you speak of?


Geez... Where are you people living? In a black hole?

yep... now where is this city? E1.gif
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Tsunami Goten of Level 6 wrote:
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In what city are these tournaments you speak of?


Geez... Where are you people living? In a black hole?
Actually yes...how did you know?
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8. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The freestyle vs PA prizes during normal "locals" style tournaments usually have PA prizes larger than freestyle, but what I'm saying is that whenever there's a large scale tournament (that has both freestyle and PA), people tend to put up a better prize for freestyle. It's not that I think that Freestylers don't deserve a good prize for taking all the time memorizing and creating a good routine, but it's kind of a let down when you see 3 good freestyles and 10 great PA players. This is just an example so don't get all pissed from me saying this :b, but it's kinda like the Sports. PA players would be the Basketball, Football, Soccer, Track, etc style, while freestylers would be the gymnastics, cheerleading, Ice skating, etc style. Basically what I see is that the look of playing is considered harder than the technical score by the difference in prize. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's like cheerleaders getting paid more than the athletes.
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9. PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2003 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AniGamerSK wrote:
The freestyle vs PA prizes during normal "locals" style tournaments usually have PA prizes larger than freestyle, but what I'm saying is that whenever there's a large scale tournament (that has both freestyle and PA), people tend to put up a better prize for freestyle. It's not that I think that Freestylers don't deserve a good prize for taking all the time memorizing and creating a good routine, but it's kind of a let down when you see 3 good freestyles and 10 great PA players. This is just an example so don't get all pissed from me saying this :b, but it's kinda like the Sports. PA players would be the Basketball, Football, Soccer, Track, etc style, while freestylers would be the gymnastics, cheerleading, Ice skating, etc style. Basically what I see is that the look of playing is considered harder than the technical score by the difference in prize. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it's like cheerleaders getting paid more than the athletes.


It does, in a sense, depend on where you're from. Where I live, I have to make the PA prize bigger because there's more competitiors that PA (actually everyone PAs), the FS prize would be just cash or GCs to some restaurant. Other cities have a huge FS following, so the prize has to be bigger than the PA. And some cities are even.

Plus, you can have a PA tournament at any time with any amount of people. You can't do the same with a performance tournament unless it's improv. It's the culmination of a month or more of work, and that's likely the reason why they get the better prizes.
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ok now ive taken 2nd in a pa tourny before (while i was sick) but i enjoy fs better. it takes WAYYYYYY more energy to fs than pa. especialy if your on my fs team. when i freestyle it attracts a crowd. E13.gif but fs is more entertaining to watch than someone pa'ing it makes you go " OOOOOOOOOOOOO DID YOU SEE THAT!?!?!?!?!?!" "OMFG THATS AMAZING!!!!!!" (provided your good at it happy.gif) so i can EASYLY see why the prize is bigger. what would you rather watch? square dancing? or an explosive high energy routine with thumping trance or electronica music burning throu your mind AND BODY AS YOU FEEL THE CROWN CHEERING YOU ON SCREAMING FOR MORE AS YOU FLIP AND DROP SPIN AN GROOVE. THE PASSION OF THE MUSIC BURNING THROU YOU!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? sorry i got carried away >_< any way....yeah pa good ...fs BETTER. THATS WHY WE GET DA PRIZES!!!!!!!!! YEAURHHHHHHHHHHH
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11. PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: ^_^ Reply with quote

telekineticddr102 wrote:
ok now ive taken 2nd in a pa tourny before (while i was sick) but i enjoy fs better. it takes WAYYYYYY more energy to fs than pa. especialy if your on my fs team. when i freestyle it attracts a crowd. E13.gif but fs is more entertaining to watch than someone pa'ing it makes you go " OOOOOOOOOOOOO DID YOU SEE THAT!?!?!?!?!?!" "OMFG THATS AMAZING!!!!!!" (provided your good at it happy.gif) so i can EASYLY see why the prize is bigger. what would you rather watch? square dancing? or an explosive high energy routine with thumping trance or electronica music burning throu your mind AND BODY AS YOU FEEL THE CROWN CHEERING YOU ON SCREAMING FOR MORE AS YOU FLIP AND DROP SPIN AN GROOVE. THE PASSION OF THE MUSIC BURNING THROU YOU!!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!? sorry i got carried away >_< any way....yeah pa good ...fs BETTER. THATS WHY WE GET DA PRIZES!!!!!!!!! YEAURHHHHHHHHHHH
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I think someone needs to *seriously* cut down their caffeine intake.


Anyway, I can see what you're saying about prize desparities being kind of a let-down. But overall, I'd have to agree that a really well-done FS routine is harder to do than just PAing. PAing takes only one thing, which is practice. FS requires creativity and a sense of asthetics that PA lacks. Overall though, I think if you look at most events, the prizes are going to be determined by which event is going to draw the bigger crowd. If 500 people are going to come to watch the FS part of the tourney, and 50 come to watch the PA... which one do you think will get the bigger prize? It's economics.
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12. PostPosted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why cut down on caffeine when a nice sedative will do the trick...
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Is freestly that much more popular than PA?

Id much rather watch two people play TLoM heavy then watch some little kid do knee drops on begginer
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MAAAX_HIMSELF wrote:
Is freestly that much more popular than PA?

Id much rather watch two people play TLoM heavy then watch some little kid do knee drops on begginer

well thats cuz youre comparing one cool thing vs one sucky thing...excuse my vocabulary.

I would honestly rather see freestyle than Perfect Attack because Perfect Attack is just watching people step on the arrows right nice. Freestyle is waching people step on arrows right nice while pulling off fancy moves. So basically, PA requires you to able to step on the arrow on time, FS requires you to actually know "dance" moves or others and sometimes memorize steps.

Seriously, I would rather see ANY routine than see Yasu PA MAX 300. Now that I think about it, he could pull off a pretty sweet routine to that. He's already set since he has the damn song memorized. And then the ultimate move is the fact that he leaves the song AAA'ed. laugh.gif
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MAAAX_HIMSELF wrote:
Is freestly that much more popular than PA?



I live in northeast ohio, and ive never seen anyone freestyle out here. from what ive heard, freestyle is really popular on the west coast.
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mostly in cali, cuz alot of ppl here are newbs that start playing, never get good and quit. any veterans here stopped playing a while ago. problem is anyone here is too shy to even try.
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blink.gif im a ddr player wouldnt you EXPECT me to have energy? hehehe its all good thou i just get excited about ddr is all sorry bout that
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telekineticddr102 wrote:
blink.gif im a ddr player wouldnt you EXPECT me to have energy? hehehe its all good thou i just get excited about ddr is all sorry bout that
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