C200, C400 and speed mod usage

matthew · Trick Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004

I am not here to say "mods suck" or something else stupid since I use them myself. I won't even respond unless someone flames mes. I would hate it for this thread to turn into one of those arguments again. But I do have (what I believe) is a legitimate question.

It is a my understanding that people find the usage of C300, C400 mods on ITG to be cheap and they disqualify people for rankings for songs with tempo changes. However at the same time, most people I see who use speed mods pick them depending on the 1x scroll speed (eg. 5x for stuff under 100 bpm, 3x for 100-150 bpm etc.). Of course, people who play everything on one speed are not part of this question.

Could someone explain C mods are considered cheap but speed mod usage I described is not? I feel both things I am describing are equivalent. The only point I can think of is that the mod usage I described allows for some variation on scroll speed where C mods do not.

Boochypa · Trick Member Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: VA Tech

There's a reason Cmods only DQ you if the song has BPM changes or stops.

Consider Euphoria (expert) on 3x, then look at it on C400. One of the challenges of that song is trying to FA the very very slow part, which is no longer very very slow if you slap a Cmod on it. This makes the song easier to FA, thus DQing your score.

Slowpoke · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2003

djmon · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:14 am Post subject:

you guys should bring this in the ITG Thread since there is no C mods in DDR
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Slowpoke · Trick Member Joined: 28 Oct 2003

djmon · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:44 am Post subject:

indeed
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BraveLittleToaster · Trick Member Joined: 19 Nov 2004

I only use C400 on ITG on songs that do not have bmp changes. If it does, then I use normal mods.

matthew · Trick Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004

slowpoke, your reasoning works for me.

sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

Moved to ITG discussion.
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LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 8:09 pm Post subject:

They don't have a Cmod fast enough for me

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theficionado wrote:

Seriously, they should make some sort of spray for you.

J. S. Mill · Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:

I don't think people consider CMods "cheap" unless they DQ, in which case they remove part of the challenge of the stepchart.
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Karl Popper · Trick Member Joined: 03 Mar 2005

LET ME SHOW YOU THEM · Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:25 am Post subject:

The main *Decent* argument i've heard against Cmods is the fact that right now, if your comfort bpm isn't 300, 400, or 500, you can't deal into your ideal bpm. For example, a friend of mine is really comfortable around 450 or so, but it isn't easy getting exactly that, so he either has to play stuff that is too slow, or too fast. I've been hearing rumors (and i hope they are true) that ITG2 will allow you to have one custom x mod (like 3.5x) and one custom Cmod (C602 plz) that you'd write in your editable.ini on your memory card..that would definitely make things interesting..
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Seriously, they should make some sort of spray for you.

matthew · Trick Member Joined: 01 Aug 2004

i wasn't my intention to criticize C mods, i just wanted a better understanding for my own self. i'm sorry if i gave that impression.

but there are some who think C mods, no mines/hands are fine even if they do DQ

(points to AIJ poll, i hope they were kidding)

Reznor · Trick Member Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Location: Coquitlam, BC

How did I know that this was going to be one of the first things posted on DDRFreak about ITG? >_>

djfmf · Trick Member Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Location: San Diego

does anyone know why playing "on a day like today 134bpm" would disqualify from ranking if you put it on c300? it doesn't show a speed change so it doesn't make sense on why i got DQ.

Soda · Trick Member Joined: 05 Apr 2005

It probably has a pause somewhere.

Karl Popper · Trick Member Joined: 03 Mar 2005

Arctic Wolves · Trick Member Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Canada

Yeah, On A Day Like Today pulls a Night in Motion; the BPM changes, but so slightly that, given the rounding engine of the BPM indicator, it stays static at 134BPM. Perhaps it would be an idea to make songs that change BPM have differently coloured indicators, like in DDRMAX and MAX2, because it is impossible to know before hand that putting a C mod on On A Day Like Today will disqualify you unless you are aware of this tempo change.
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diddrstrait · Trick Member Joined: 01 Jan 2004