The OFFICIAL DDR and ItG Thread! No Flaming!

Arctic Wolves · Trick Member Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Canada

I was thinking more of the Smiley songs, which seem to be the biggest offenders in my mind for messy stepcharts. With the exception of July, and possibly Xuxa. I find Eurphoria's stepchart, especially during the slowdown, to be just... strange. I think it's made artificially difficult and after listening to the song many, many times I still don't think the 32nds or 64ths or whatever they are are justified. And the Utopia rhythm challenge once again is a showing of the kind of "aesthetic atrocities" I'm pointing out. Having a whole X bars of right arrows (on a seemingly random rhythm; yes, I'm slowly figuring it out but I still am not completely sure what I'm following in the song). It's weird and kind of hard to point out what I'm judging the charts on, but I was also unfairly harsh. There are some Expert charts which I think are great; especially the 9's. I had a select few stepcharts in mind when I was talking about "messyness," and I actually like stuff like Lemmings on the Run. There's no reason for the 16th runs, but I still like them. =P

Okay, I'm done.

Rancidfish · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject:

There are only a couple of points where the Euphoria stepchart bothers me, and the slowdown, and the 1/32nd runs in the middle of 1/16th runs, aren't parts that bother me. I've listened to the song and I can hear those rhythms. What bothers me are a few parts where the steps do something like "xx-xx-xx-xx-xxxx" or something, when I hear "xx-xxx--xx-xxxxx". I don't think it's artificially harder at all.

On the other hand, July expert is... terrible, in my opinion. Lots of interesting rhythms with which to make an [i]interesting difficult song, but instead they make a song with random, bland 1/16th runs. Same goes for July Hard, really, though with random 1/8th runs instead of 1/16ths. Lame.

Xuxa expert is probably my favorite Smiley chart... and in fact, one of my favorite charts in the game. Everything makes sense to me, everything is interesting, everything follows the music.

And in terms of the Utopia "rhythm challenge," I enjoy the rhythm, but I'd prefer if that section were just following that rhythm on multiple arrows, rather than doing the 2 or 3 rhythms at once stomping thing.
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Dracosavant · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:

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Arctic Wolves · Trick Member Joined: 16 Dec 2004 Location: Canada

Now here's where I must disagree. I find Tears to follow the song exactly. I think it's a great, technical stepchart. All the rhythms in Tears are common in other songs. You must absolutely hate stuff like Justify My Love, DO ME (H.I.G.E.O. Mix), Vanity Angel, rain of sorrow, and xenon. And even ItG songs like DJ Party (offbeat 16ths following BB Hayes's sexy lyrics =P) pull that kind of stuff. All those songs are hard to PA in their respective technical parts (which just happens to be Tears 70% of the time), but I find them enjoyable. Okay, I hate xenon, but that's because I suck at it. Now, i feel... makes crap up for its stepchart just because the song itself is such a mess. A hauntingly ambient mess that's a good listen, but a poor dance. But really, I find much more sense in Tears than in i feel....
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Dracosavant · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 6:57 pm Post subject:

Phreak:None of anything I stated had to do with the beginning of tears, but rather the middle and the end.
The middle: Three freezes in a row that force you to go 4th 16th 8th with one leg.
The end: Stupid offbeat rhythms that are insanely difficult to hear.
Those are the places that I get greats on, and I just find it a waste of time attempting to SDG it.

Wolves: Vanity Angel, Rain of Sorrow, and Xenon are three of my favorite songs in DDR. When I play those I actually feel what they are going to. But, those charts have substance. They are FUN. Tears is stupid. Tears, musically, is great and all, but I feel that Konami did an aweful job putting in steps to suit it.
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Dracosavant · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject:

Kyran · Trick Member Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Portland, OR

I personally don't like Tears' steps much, and mostly because of that part with the Ordinary World-like freezes. It's the only sorrow song I dislike playing. They force you to shuffle your feet or manuever in ways you shouldn't have to. Luckily in ITG, you're never forced to shuffle your feet during freeze heavy patterns (the only songs I can't think of with a pattern forcing you to shuffle are Delerium and Mythology). There's crossovers in Oasis, Queen of Light, and Disconnected Mobius that turn your body away from the screen, but I like that. In DDR, freezes felt like they were used to fill in the empty spaces. With the exception of two or three songs freezes don't add much gameplay or challenge to the game. ITG uses uses freezes creatively, but not unethically.

Utopia is... different. I understand why some people might hate it, but I love the rhythmic challenge. It's something never before seen in any dance game, but it's executed quite well and makes sense. Amore is more technical than Tears, which is full of long streams of 8ths. It's not as sorrow-ish as Clockwork Genesis, but it is that type of chart.

ColorOfSakura · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject:

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Dracosavant · Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject:

Kyrandian, I agree with you 100%

DoesNMatter · Trick Member Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Location: Fremont, CA

DDR - I used to love all it song and I still do, but now when I listen to a DDR song and look through the song list. It feels like all the songs sound a little bit the same. I guess I am getting bored of DDR and the songlist.

ITG - Though there is not many songs I like on ITG, I still love go around the song list a couple of times trying to decide what song to play. It is like so random! Trance, Rock, and etc. So many styles of music. ITG adds diffrent styles of music to choose from. The songs is kinda long, so I do not know if that is a good or bad thing to me.

DDR - Gameplay, I love it. Simple and great. Modifiers are easy to understand. I am not a big fan of modifiers.

ITG - When I first played it, the scrolling of arrows was like uhhh? I tried to fix this so I went to the modifiers and was completly lost! So many things I did not understand. When I played Battle mode, I did not know there were modifiers and I was owned so badly!

DDR - Watching people play is pretty much the same thing to me. Just trying to get a high score.

ITG - The people I saw, they were amazing. I was amazed about expert mode. So crazy and chaotic! Watching people play like this makes me feel like such a total noob.

My conclusion, DDR is still a favorite to me but In The Groove is starting to grow on me. So when DDR comes up with a new Mix for the PS2, I will still buy it and if ITG makes a line of mixes, I will sure buy them. I mean come on there is not much of a diffrence. When I first played ITG. I thought it was a dumb imitation of DDR. But I guess it grew on me. Unlike PIU.
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voldekillssnape · Trick Member Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Location: Fontana,CA

I think ITG is pretty awsome.

The framerate is cleaner than DDRs IMO