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ZephyrGlaze
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20.  Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Cutriss, why not keep a tabs on a given user. You could, presumably, keep a short blurb under the signiture of each poster, or something of the like. If the person gets two or three, a mod could send them a "hey, cut it out." PM. Heck, they could for the first time anyway. I don't understand why mods on this board are so quick to assign points to people without giving a friendly reminder when they approach a line they shouldn't cross (or, for that matter, announce a new policy on giving warning points by giving them *cough*King*cough*.)
Another possibility would be to spread out the points system (say, multiply all points given by ten, make it 90 points to get banned, and give out a point for each needless waste of bandwidth). Or, just give out a single point for such an infraction. I've noticed that the status quo for any infraction is currently two points (not sure why, but that's what I always get for something, no matter how slight).
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Spike
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| 21. Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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announce a new policy on giving warning points by giving them |
Like when? When I warned you? Because that isn't a new policy. Postwhoring has been a warnable offense forever.
Let me remind you of something: You don't know everything that goes on at this board. You wondered why other people haven't been warned for something similar. I told you that the entire system uses PMs. So you would have no real idea if someone was warned for something, or for what. But you assume that no one has been warned for it. Now you're saying that I have warned people for a new policy before it was announced. Not only have I warned people before for similar things, but like I already said postwhoring has been around forever. I even explained to you in PMs how your post was postwhoring.
You also say that mods are so quick to assign points when a friendly reminder could be given. Example? Cutriss even pointed out to you that not even the mods know everything that's going on. Then I said that the entire warning system is in PMs. So how do you know A) if people have been given a friendly warning (especially if it's done in PMs) and B) that they were warned or not for that offense.
Oh, and I said that I give out friendly warnings in my last post. Instead of giving warning points. So looks like we (or at least I, the person you say is unfairly giving out warning points) is doing what you want. Intriiiiiiguing.
By the way, your first offense you were given one point for postwhoring. EVERY OTHER TIME you have been warned it was for postwhoring. Perhaps it is not that there is a status quo, but we as mods figured that after getting a one point warning for postwhoring (and for being here for awhile as evidenced by your trick member status) that maybe, who knows...you'd stop? But apparently not, so you keep getting 2 points.
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ZephyrGlaze
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| 22. Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Like when? When I warned you? Because that isn't a new policy. Postwhoring has been a warnable offense forever. |
But considering "quoted for emphasis" posts as post-whorring hasn't. And, as I recall, I was the first person to be warned of this, the only 'announcement' of sorts having been earlier that day, when in the site feedback forum (a forum most people don't read, mind you), it was decided that such posts would be counted suchly. And you're right, King. That was only one point. My bad.
| Quote: | | Let me remind you of something: You don't know everything that goes on at this board. You wondered why other people haven't been warned for something similar. I told you that the entire system uses PMs. So you would have no real idea if someone was warned for something, or for what. But you assume that no one has been warned for it. Now you're saying that I have warned people for a new policy before it was announced. Not only have I warned people before for similar things, but like I already said postwhoring has been around forever. I even explained to you in PMs how your post was postwhoring. |
I indeed don't know everything that goes on through PMs, but I can look at a forum member's profile and it's pretty obvious from just a few different recent examples that not many of these situations ever get a point. So, either this is another new thing being considered post-whoring that has yet to be defined by the DDR Freak team, or I was given points very arbitrarily.
Yes, it's true that I'd have no idea if mods ever give friendly reminders, but I certainly haven't ever seen one. And having gotten 9 points since joining the board only a few months ago, it wouldn've been nice to see just one.
| Quote: | | By the way, your first offense you were given one point for postwhoring. EVERY OTHER TIME you have been warned it was for postwhoring. Perhaps it is not that there is a status quo, but we as mods figured that after getting a one point warning for postwhoring (and for being here for awhile as evidenced by your trick member status) that maybe, who knows...you'd stop? But apparently not, so you keep getting 2 points. |
And here is my main contention for the whole thread: How can I avoid post-whorring when the definition is loose and constantly changing? If requesting a lock is unnecessary, why was this the first time everyone as a group (and I specifically) was warned about this? Sometimes satire will be considered post whorring, but obviously not a lot (or Me, EyeBrowsofFire, and a couple of dozen others would've been banned a long time ago).
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Edible Bondage Tape
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| 23. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| John Bono wrote: | | How can I avoid post-whorring when the definition is loose and constantly changing? |
dont post pointlessly or off topic
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Cutriss
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| 24. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| John Bono wrote: | | So, either this is another new thing being considered post-whoring that has yet to be defined by the DDR Freak team, or I was given points very arbitrarily. |
This isn't the government you're dealing with. We deal with things arbitrarily all the time. | John Bono wrote: | | Yes, it's true that I'd have no idea if mods ever give friendly reminders, but I certainly haven't ever seen one. And having gotten 9 points since joining the board only a few months ago, it wouldn've been nice to see just one. |
Then it seems to me that you're asking this question more for your own insight than for that of others.
Do you want us to apologise for not having given you a warning before we gave you warn points? Is that what this is about?
You registered at the end of September. It took you a whole month (presumably around the time your Trick status kicked in) for you to start acting like you were hot shit or something, poking fun at users you'd never even talked to before, and basically acting like you were all up in this joint. It took you another full month before you actually started getting enough attention to get points for what you were doing. So while it may not have been Spike or myself keeping tabs on you (though I was keeping an eye), you were crossing the line back then. I guess your argument now is "How could I have known I was crossing the line?"
See, we don't tend to appreciate people here who make a habit of testing the limits. Those people tend to add little to the overall community, instead making a game out of testing our patience and mettle.
I'm not saying this is the case with you, but everyone is different, and we can't write one static set of rules that will always apply in each and every circumstance. You're at 8 points now, so it's obvious you're concerned about your own well-being here. Well, like I said - take yourself down a few notches (since we were obviously unable to do that), and let your keyboard cool off.
About "Quoted for emphasis" - just because we've recently started specifically warning for that doesn't mean that it wasn't postwhoring before. And that's also a subjective case. If a point seems to have been lost and someone requotes it, then the post has served a purpose. If you're just nodding in agreement less than three posts later (ARBITRARY NUMBER), then guess what? Nobody cares. Except for us. And you don't want that.
And another thing - We don't have a script that scours the site for unlocked threads that say "REQUEST LOCK". So fucking quit that shit already. If it needs a lock, we'll get to it. And if we haven't, PM someone responsible for that forum.
We aren't governed by the First Amendment here, nor are we legally liable for censorship or limitation placed on your activity here, so we have little need for namby-pamby disclaimers about hurting your feelings and arbitrariness of rules. This is life, and this is how life works. Play the game.
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not dryad
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| 25. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| ×Ö¸× ×©×Ö¶× ×Ö±×Ö¹×Ö´×× wrote: | | Similarly, if someone makes a thread that has a subject of "You guys are funny" and the content is "lol' then I'd warn for that. But if it's discussion about Final Fantasy, which has been debated many times, why warn for that? New people come to the boards and new people want to join in on the conversation. |
I agree with that. But if the same person makes another 2 pointless thread that could have been taken care of by using the magically awesome search feature, then he/she should be warned (after being told not to make pointless threads and how to avoid it, and making sure it's clear).
| Quote: | | I've noticed that the status quo for any infraction is currently two points (not sure why, but that's what I always get for something, no matter how slight). |
I've seen 1 point given out for really minor things before. I think of it as some big guy pointing in the poster's face and saying no in stern voice.
| Quote: | | Another possibility would be to spread out the points system (say, multiply all points given by ten, make it 90 points to get banned, and give out a point for each needless waste of bandwidth) |
Why should it be spread out? I don't see a point. It's not like it's too easy to get banned around here. There's an FAQ that tells you what to do and what not to do. The FAQ is very straightforward. It's not like the FAQ was written in a The Sound and The Fury-esque style. It takes two things to get banned quickly: Trying to be "cool", or being a moron.
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J Dogg
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| 26. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| John Bono wrote: | | Cutriss, why not keep a tabs on a given user. You could, presumably, keep a short blurb under the signiture of each poster, or something of the like. If the person gets two or three, a mod could send them a "hey, cut it out." |
We do keep tabs on users. It's called the warning point system. If you do something bad once, you get points. Twice, you get more points, Three times, you get more points. The more points you get to 9, the closer you are to getting banned.
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Edible Bondage Tape
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| 27. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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long story short
its easy to NOT get banned
i mean IVE managed to not get banned even so if i can do it ANYONE can
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rampage
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| 28. Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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We have a list of criteria for what we warn for, and how many points are justified for the offense. 9 points is quite a bit of leeway and most people will get the message after a couple of points.
For reference, we are artifically limited to only give 1-3 points or 9 points at a time. 9 points is only given out in very rare circumstances (such as trying to sell bootleg/copied software in the Marketplace forum). Our warning criteria for most offenses pretty strictly states not to hand points unless it's for a repeat occurrence.
That means things like off topic posting or questions already covered in the FAQ are usually given a free pass unless it becomes a chronic behavior. Flaming is one offense where points are given no matter what.
We have very strict criteria for when to give points and how many to give. I have enough faith in the moderation staff here to stand by any warning points that are given out.
I have to stress once again: if you feel that you were unfairly given points, bring it up with the mod who warned you. They are all reasonable people and will be happy to remove points if you plead your case. But, if you make a post like, "hey you, you are a piece of poopy, i hope you die, burn in hell you bastard, your mother is a slut, you suck buttocks" you won't have much to stand on when you ask to get the 3 points you just recieved revoked any more than if you posted in six different forums advertising "herbal viagra." If you made a post sarcastically or jokingly calling somebody a douchebag and you were given a point for flaming, explain the circumstances to the moderator. There's a chance that he or she will remove the points.
Ultimately, if you feel that you are unfairly warned for something and are unsatisfied with the response from the moderator, bring it up with one of us administrators and we'll look into the issue. If one of us administrators warned you, well.. you're probably screwed (kidding). |
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Lobster Jesus
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| 29. Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Correct me if this belongs somewhere else but is this the only board on the "Warning System"?
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Spike
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| 30. Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| MAXANOiA MGS wrote: | | Correct me if this belongs somewhere else but is this the only board on the "Warning System"? |
What do you mean? Are we the only forum on the entire internet that uses a system like this? Well, I can't name another forum off the top of my head, but I only frequent two. But PHPBB3 is going to have it standard, so soon lots of people will have it.
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| 31. Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| John Bono wrote: | | ×Ö¸× ×©×Ö¶× ×Ö±×Ö¹×Ö´×× wrote: |
Like when? When I warned you? Because that isn't a new policy. Postwhoring has been a warnable offense forever. |
But considering "quoted for emphasis" posts as post-whorring hasn't. |
| The FAQ wrote: | Postwhoring
One word, smiley-only, or even on occasion one sentence posts don't add anything to the discussion. It's a waste of bandwidth, a waste of disk space, and a waste of everyone's time. If you're going to post a message and you know it's not going to add anything to the discussion, consider not posting it, especially if it's a popular topic. |
A post that does nothing but quote is less of a contribution than even an emoticon-only one. It's just a "Me too!" post. Which are always bad. |
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Syxx
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IguanaGrrl
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| 33. Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 7:56 am Post subject: |
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OMGZ TWO ANIME CHARACTERS KISSING, THAT'S RACY!
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Syxx
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| 34. Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Glad you agree.
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sherl0k
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Fireboma
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| 36. Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Syxx wrote: | | Glad you agree. |
I have no idea if your being sarcastic here or...
Anyways, do you guys keep tabs on previous offenses? Because like rampage said, most points are given out because they are repeat occurences.
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Cutriss
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| 38. Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| sherl0k wrote: | | When we go to warn someone, we get a table with previous offenses, how many points, and a link to the thread. It's a pretty nifty system, let me tell you. |
I believe you and J Dogg missed his point.
He was asking why we don't have some sort of tracking to preempt warning someone. Basically, he wants pre-warn warnings...so that if N00b892754 posts twenty crap threads in Random Chat and then posts a single crap thread in Consoles, I'd know to shut his ass down immediately, rather than think "Oh, it's just his first time."
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J Dogg
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| 39. Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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His point was whether or not we have a pre-point tracking system. The answer is: such a system is unnecessary because all offenses should be given points. One point for a minor first offense is all the tracking we need.
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, which is a little racy don't you think? and not get in trouble.
