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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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slvrshdw
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well if u put the clear stuff over the pad it CAN make it last a lilttle longer because ur not just hitting the pads sensors...

but it does help a bit-mostly not sliding as much..
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has any person or company (other than konami itself) actually made a ddr metal pad EXACTLY like the arcade ones in every way? (with the thickness, lowered arrows, height, bar, little rubber stoppers on the bottom, etc) please if anybody has witnessed this send me a link.
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WHY IS THIS IN THE HOMEMADE DANCE PAD TOPIC???

and i don't think so because it would be in the Start here thread at the top topic in this forum,

if you are looking for one though, make your own, because you being your own creator can make it perfect to your standards biggrin.gif

but, if you wanted that to be acceptable you should have phrased it as

What Jeremy37077829 should have written to be correctly placed in this topic wrote:
does any body now the exact demesions for the arcade pads because i wan't to make one, that is why i am inquiring this post

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I just read something about getting USB adapters that actually work on this page. There are links to lists of which ones work. I didn't read it that carefully.

All I know is that I had rotten luck using a PS2 to XBOX adapter.

We're probably gonna get ahold of some cheap XBOX controllers and do something along the lines of this or maybe use the board from a cheap USB gamepad to make our own control box.
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pyro4fire wrote:
do psx controllers have the wire for the 8v? i have a few psx controllers i dont mind ripping apart for a control box but i would like to get power from the console


Okay :-), someone asked, so I'll explain. I'll eventually write a blurb up on a website and just put up a link when this question is asked, lol.

THe only kind of ps2/psx controllers that have the wire for the 8v are Dual-Shock (the vibrating kind -- which are typically more expensive), OR a controller extension cord. You can buy a dirt cheap controller (or whatever kind of controller you want), and then just buy an extension cord, and get the 8volts from that. You'll have to cut the cord and figure out which wire carries the 8volts using a multimeter, and then work your circuit off that though. If you're in no hurry to build your pad, I WILL have a tutorial type thing up by mid March. Perhaps sooner, but its not a priority, getting my pads built is my priority.

Jeremy67077829 wrote:
: has any person or company (other than konami itself) actually made a ddr metal pad EXACTLY like the arcade ones in every way? (with the thickness, lowered arrows, height, bar, little rubber stoppers on the bottom, etc) please if anybody has witnessed this send me a link.


First off, go easy on the boy! Yes, he is right Jeremy, this isn't the place to ask that, but I'll answer it as best I can:

Yes people and company's have, I do not have links, but I have seen them. The ones by this company are probably about as exact as you're going to get: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21185&item=8163936075&rd=1

Not the ebay seller, but the company that makes those TX-Blahblahblah. They have several models, look for ones like those.

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i got a quick question hopefully u can answer...


Okay, there's different things to look at here. Here's my recomendation: build a seperate control box for each system (or one control box that houses multiple controllers that I described briefly in an earlier post on this page). This is why: all the adapters lag. Regardless what kind of adapter you get, you will get better performance out of your pad if you just use seperate controllers.

As far as whether to use a pad or a controller, etc.: for the xbox buy an xbox pad (so it will register as a pad with the xbox, just in case you ever play on live or give or sell the pads to someone who will play on Live -- you never know where the future of DDR is going, so might as well prepare for it). Any kind of PS2 controller will work, and use a usb gamepad (my suggestion, though if you find a good adapter, go for it... I personally don't trust adapters anymore).

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To the person that asked about adapters:

I still say don't trust em, because if you notice (as I did), the webpages contradict eachother. The stepmania one lists Joybox3, and the other webpage says that adapter is confirmed to NOT WORK.

I have tried this one that is listed on the Stepmania page, and it doesn't work well:
Nexxtech PSOne and PS2 to USB Adapter

LoL, I just saw that BOTH sites say it DOESN'T work... wish I'd have checked that before I purchased one LOL. Stupid radioshack.

If you buy any adapter, buy the first one listed on the Stepmania page, if you can: PS Joy Converter (USB). It's not available now though. Just make sure you buy one that says it works. I personally am going to end up making my own with a gamepad.


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*chuckles* Sorry for the bogus adapter links. Like I said, I didn't do much more than glance at them since I'm not interested in going that route.

So, the XBOX controllers can't be made to register as pads? Poopy. I couldn't even find any USB pads. I did a quick search and only found pads with adapters.
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latindude88wpg wrote:
anyways, here's my question: my pad is squeaking like crazy. i thought it would go away after a couple of days, but it's getting really annoying. you can see rats and rabbits running out of my house when i play songs on heavy mode, cuz they can't stand the noise. what can i do to solve this?

also, i have to play with socks at home (i know, a big no no at the arcade), because if i play with shoes, i stomp and my apartment building is quite old, so it shakes like crazy. my socks get stuck with the screws and it kinda hurts. has anyone found any screws that fit *perfectly* into the stanley brackets? i'm using #2 screws and the head seems to be too big. i would appreciate it, and my feet will be happy.


My manufactured CG (cyphergames) pad squeeked like crazy too but it was the metal solid panels against whatever else was in the pad that was making it squeek, not the base against the floor like pandaran described. I don't really know what to do with my kind of squeeking problem but I'm thinking that the pad squeeks because the acrylic and metal parts are rubbing together. So supposedly all you have to do is tighten the areas that are squeeking and it shouldn't squeek anymore. Sorry i'm not much help there....

You should use flat headed sheet metal screws from home depot but I don't know what number head size they should be. in fact i don't know anything about the numbers. Do lower numbers mean smaller screw heads?
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pandaran wrote:
So, the XBOX controllers can't be made to register as pads? I couldn't even find any USB pads. I did a quick search and only found pads with adapters.


The reason the xbox controllers can't be made to register as pads is a good one. It keeps people from cheating and using a controller and claiming its a dance pad. This is a positive thing, and keeps you from feeling humiliated because you played versus against somebody using a controller while you're dancing away. It does make homemade xbox pads slightly more expensive though, sorry about that.

As far as usb pads, they have usb pump it up pads, but that's not what you're looking for I know. Just buy a cheap gamepad and rip it apart and do as we are doing to the playstation 2 and xbox controllers.

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i think that the pads squeak from the wood rubbing together, or from the plexiglass rubbing against anything. the screws, the other piece of plexiglass, whatever. im not exacly sure how to fix that but ill look into that.
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I have no idea what causes it, can't help you there... just hope I don't run into the problem. Post solutions here though so if anyone else has the problem we'll know what to do. Maybe WD-40 or something? If you can put it around the sides of the plexi, it might help, no clue.

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First off, go easy on the boy!


laugh.gif riiight.gif sry jeramny i am a little edgy because i have a friggen math regents to study for tomorrow and i take a quick break from it and pow stupid post, with little sleep i get irritated erm.gif

but, eh, what are you going to do about, (i hope it is that you are going to make a dance pad E15.gif )
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yeah, I was actually thinking that the wooden squares were probably rubbing on other parts of the board, not the floor itself. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

As for the USB controller, did you get the link for converting an XBOX controller to USB? Is there a reason not to do that, because it would certainly be less expensive than purchasing a USB pad.
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Maybe not cheaper, but less work I suppose. I can get USB gamepads for 2 or 3 bucks, so its not cheaper here, and I have to in order to draw power from the USB port (I can't count on the adapter to carry that power through when it doesn't often have a need to). But it should work, don't see why not. Note that it says you need 3rd party drivers though, don't forget to get those if you buy that adapter.

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Think you could send me the link to where you're getting the USB pads that cheap? I'd be hard pressed to get the XBOX controllers that cheap, unless we go to the swap meet and just get USB game paddles.
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Since there seems to be a 3 hour delay before you can post, and i'm impatient, I'll just hijack my girlfriend's login for this post.

Using the xbox controllers may be easier than you all think. The xbox _IS_ a pc, and the controllers _ARE_ usb joypads. All you have to have is the correct drivers, and to get an adapter to convert to the right shape for the port on the computer. So the plan is to just chain off of the controller plug from the xbox controller plug into a usb receiver plug from a motherboard extention bracket. No conversion needed, just chaining the wires. I've got a plan for an all-in-one control box, which i have NO clue if it's going to work, but this would keep the total number of control boards down, and negate the need for the evil lag inducing controller>pc translating adapters.

If that's not clear enough let me know, and I'll try and keep everyone informed of how things go for the all-in-one box.
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Nice, sounds good man, will be good to have you on the forum.
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I'm going to go to some hardware place tomorrow i think. So do i ask for "hardwood floor covering"? Looking through another thread people asked for hardwood floor covering and no one knew what it was, sure it isn't called something else?

I have a feeling if i ask for hardwood floor covering they're not going to know what i'm talking about
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I have two BNS PS2 dance pads. I just ordered an Xbox and Ultramix 2. What do I need to do to get this to work on the Xbox properly? I was going to buy an adapter, but now I've been reading that the adapters lag and really suck.

So, how should I do this? Is their anyway I can modify it and still have it register as a pad? Any other suggestions?

By the way, this relates to custom pad building, because after my BNS pads crap out, the electronics will be implemented into my yet to be built home-made pad.
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to get your ps2 pads to work on xbox, you would need some xbox pads to rip apart. you may as well just buy a softpad until you build your metal pad.

ropeadope wrote:
"hardwood floor covering"


pretty much. its a roll of plastic sheeting that you put over hardwood flooring to protect it. go to the flooring department and ask if they have any protective plastic mats for hardwood floors.


and good job insanity, you scared jeremy off. disgust.gif
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hi guys,

we've been talking about lights and stuff... but how about we used el flatlite? i think it could be sandwiched in between the two plexiglass panels and actually make the arrow using that.

edit: ouch, nevermind, that's really expensive stuff.
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