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20. PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omigawd, DDR helps lose weight? Someone stop the hardcore ducking presses, what a surprise! This sounds like another lame attempt to mask that they haven't added any real content to the game for the last two years, and don't plan on it for any time in the near future.
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21. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Konami isn't stupid. The weight loss/exercise angle is going to get their product into more homes, into schools, into gyms, et cetera. All that extra exposure due to the exercise component is resulting in increased revenue for their niche product.



Sinister is right. I think that the fact that Konami markets DDR like a treadmill is pretty lame, but it is the best way to get more DDR to more consumers. They know that all of us will buy new releases no matter how lame they are, so they concentrate on a different community. Public exposure seems to still be steadily gaining, and mabye someday enough people will like it to warrent the television advertisement of the new Max song, lol.

Freestyling makes DDR look the coolest, and some extreme song on versus mode could look equally awesome. Single player PSMO may not be the best way to make the game look cool, kindof spazzy lol (too bad I only play technical riiight.gif)
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22. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always played for fun, never for a workout. But it's improved on my running alot. I was one of the first people to finish the mile-run in out class. And sprints are a breeze!
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23. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Bono wrote:
Omigawd, DDR helps lose weight? Someone stop the hardcore ducking presses, what a surprise! This sounds like another lame attempt to mask that they haven't added any real content to the game for the last two years, and don't plan on it for any time in the near future.


Oh yeah that's right DDR Fusion is just DDR Etreme with a new name. How stupid of me.
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24. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always wanted to go to CES. Its like "E3 for technology". Last year they were showing off GIGANTIC Plasma and LCD TV's. And sometimes the game companys (mainly MS, Sony, and Nintendo) show off there new platforms.


BTW, Konami is going for the "if it ain't broke, dont fix it!" idea with there DDR games these days.
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25. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you go to the website the news is from, you'll note that there WON'T be a new version of the game. They'll simply be showcasing DDR Extreme as a way to lose weight.
Actually, while it did say that when I posted this article, it doesn't say it anymore. Interesting, huh?


Errr... if you're talking about the International CES thing, I can't see anything about DDR at all- but I do see the part about Konami. If you're talking about GAF news, then the post reads as follows:

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Konami will be showing Dance Dance Revolution Extreme at the Cardio Play Zone to show the world how DDR can be fun and burn calories at the same time.
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26. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that sounds pretty cool i plan to watch ces on tv
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27. PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ILddr208 wrote:
I always played for fun, never for a workout. But it's improved on my running alot. I was one of the first people to finish the mile-run in out class. And sprints are a breeze!


ME TOO, by the time I was in 8th Grade, DDR helped me become the top 5 runners who usually finish running in time out of 60 people in our class!
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28. PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:16 am    Post subject: Re: oh well Reply with quote

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hey hey lighten up! to me, Any way to get ddr out in the public is good, and the more popular it gets, the better!



The series has already passed it's popularity peak. More public exposure would just be old news.
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29. PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:40 am    Post subject: Haters Reply with quote

So let me get this straight: there are some people here who strongly dislike the fact that Konami markets DDR as an excersize tool?

How can you dislike something like that? And where have you been the last 3+ years? Even if you just started playing yesterday and you've never seen any of Konami's advertisements then you should still be thinking to yourself "Hey, that game gave me a good workout the other day." WHY - would anyone who likes DDR - be opposed to this? It's just free publicity to both gamers non-gamers. You video game >> treadmill people should be happy that the treadmill aspect of the game helps to keep it in production. And the only way you're ever gonna see a new arcade machine is if enough schools and health clubs demand one. (Which is still unlikely.) So learn to appreciate the treadmill aspect of the game, too.

(I'm not talking to the people who are indifferent or don't really care. I'm indifferent myself since I'm in good shape.)

Flarone - Gradius V came out last November. KOA had a giveaway and KOE gave their prizes away in an Internet ranking for the game. I've never seen a Gradius V arcade cabinet. I don't remember seeing one for Gradius 4 either. Besides, Konami said that if they ever wanted to release more arcade games in North America they'd just contract a 3rd party to do the work that their office would have done. Look up Warzaid and Betson on their website. It seems that Konami just doesn't want to release any new arcade games at this time. It's not that they can't.

John Bono - Ultramix 1 added online play, Extreme USA added Eyetoy features and a new interface, and Ultramix 2 added a different kind of party mode and a ton of random stuff (most innovative DDR game by far). DDR MAX had oni mode too. The only game that didn't offer anything new was DDR MAX2 but that game is still popular anyways because of the songlist.
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30. PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fr0sty wrote:
Errr... if you're talking about the International CES thing, I can't see anything about DDR at all- but I do see the part about Konami. If you're talking about GAF news, then the post reads as follows:
I was talking about the GAF newspost. At first it said something about no new product announcements, but that part has since been removed.
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31. PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CES was cool.
The Konami booth was cool.
They were giving away the limited edition sampler soundtracks for Extreme and Ultramix2. Also, some DDRMAX T-Shirts.
I talked to Jason Enos alot and played DDR with him, and helped him showcase the game.
I was around at just the right time to get myself in an EBTV commercial. Should be played at all EB's all over the US sometime in Feb. or March.
Jason Enos is a nice guy, if you guys get to the chance to meet him, you should.
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32. PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize if this was posted elsewhere but this seemed to be the appropriate place, as this is a followup story that looks like made it's way to the Assoc. Press about excercise games at the CES. It was even on the front page of Yahoo for a short time:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=541&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20050110/ap_on_he_me/fit_gadget_show_fitness

And there's even a picture of Mr. Enos E1.gif
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33. PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, not to be mean..

.. but perhaps Jason Enos is not the best spokesperson for DDR, especially with Konami pushing its fitness and excersize(sic) angle. I mean seriously, look at that picture. Is this the image Konami wants to put out? Or is it just a genius marketing ploy, and the next time we see him, he'll be some 150 lbs lighter (all through the magic of DDR, of course).
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even though ddr in the arcade has fallen by the wayside, at least bringing in additional players regardless of how it is marketed keeps konami producing. the bottom line is really the bottom line. konami is in the business of making money. to do that, you need to keep your existing customers and bring in new customers.
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35. PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2005 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rampage wrote:
You know, not to be mean..

.. but perhaps Jason Enos is not the best spokesperson for DDR, especially with Konami pushing its fitness and excersize(sic) angle. I mean seriously, look at that picture. Is this the image Konami wants to put out? Or is it just a genius marketing ploy, and the next time we see him, he'll be some 150 lbs lighter (all through the magic of DDR, of course).

You need to see him play. He can totally keep up with the 7's, 8's and some of the 9's. Think about it, you show your customers, and potential customers, that everyone, of any shape and size can play this game, for exersize and for fun, then you have a better chance of attracting more people to the game. Thats what makes DDR so great, is EVERYONE can play it if they give it a shot.
Plus, it's not like Jason can spend all day playing DDR, he's product manager for the whole company, which means he's working on other games besides DDR too.
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even though ddr in the arcade has fallen by the wayside, at least bringing in additional players regardless of how it is marketed keeps konami producing. the bottom line is really the bottom line. konami is in the business of making money. to do that, you need to keep your existing customers and bring in new customers.


Sorry to punch a hole in your argument, but Konami isn't keeping their current customers happy. If that was the case people from when I first started playing DDR would still be playing. Home versions ARE NOT a substitute for the arcade.

If cajoling a bunch of noobs that believe in the whole "using DDR as a form of execise as their way of staying in shape"; then they deserve to suck these people dry.

If you ask me I believe that konami has forgotten what this game is all about. Focusing on this is just wrong and I spit in their faces for it.

Why do you think that a lot of people have stopped playing DDR? Because, komani has stopped calling DDR a music game. It's truly a sad state of affiars for this series.

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37. PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:

Sorry to punch a hole in your argument, but Konami isn't keeping their current customers happy. If that was the case people from when I first started playing DDR would still be playing. Home versions ARE NOT a substitute for the arcade.


If you want to front the money to get the Konami arcade division back up and running, then more power to you, but until you do, home versions are what we have to work with. You can either accept that KOA is still bringing us versions of DDR at home while KOJ has ceased their arcade machine production, or you can keep whining about it. Which one is going to make you happier in life?

Speaking of which, someone pointed out something to me that I totally missed when I first read the article and saw the caption...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/tc/010505ces&tmpl=sl&e=1

I totally phased over the 'Extreme *2*' portion of the caption.

Guess I have some research to do!
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38. PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ryu_Hirakashi wrote:
Sorry to punch a hole in your argument, but Konami isn't keeping their current customers happy. If that was the case people from when I first started playing DDR would still be playing. Home versions ARE NOT a substitute for the arcade.


They are for me, since I don't have an arcade within an hour's drive that actually has DDR. If it weren't for home versions, I would have never started playing. As for keeping the customer base happy, I'm still pleased with Ultramix 2 even though I dislike the framerate issues. It has the freshest song selection I've seen in a long time, the Live stuff was cleaned up, and 4 player games are working (instead of having to use battles). And then there's quad mode. So, I'm happy. Why aren't you happy?

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If cajoling a bunch of noobs that believe in the whole "using DDR as a form of execise as their way of staying in shape"; then they deserve to suck these people dry.


I've admitted my bias in this arena before, but here's the truth... DDR as exercise has worked for people. That's not a "belief", it's a fact!

There's something to be said, however, for losing the heart of DDR when the game is sold as a tool rather than as a game. But to speak in terms of beliefs, my belief is that people who buy it as a tool will end up liking it as a game. If they don't, they'll stop using it altogether. Will they like it to the point that they freestyle, sign up for a DDRFreak account, and start posting in the "OMG I saw DDR" thread? Probably not. You'll probably never hear from them, but Konami will (hopefully) feel their revenue impact and will keep making new mixes.

If you hate Konami's recent work, this is not good news for you, but again, Ultramix 2, to me, is a refreshing step away from the rehashing for which everybody seems to clamor.

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If you ask me I believe that konami has forgotten what this game is all about. Focusing on this is just wrong and I spit in their faces for it.


What is DDR all about? Great music, great moves, great challange, great community? All four? What do you think DDR is all about?

Konami is focusing on the exercise only insofar as it pertains to marketing. The Workout Mode has been in for years now and has been a bullet point on the packaging since its inclusion, but now there's a greater push towards exercise gaming, so Konami is capitalizing on it for greater exposure. Do you honestly think the designers of the game, those who give it its true meaning, sit there and wonder how they can make it a better exercise platform? Hell no. If they did, DDR would have much more robust (and consistent) tools for tracking/monitoring exercise. As it is, the workout mode keeps changing. In Extreme US, it's barely there! In Ultramix 2, the whole mode has become a minimalist experience requiring almost no interaction. There are so many ways the workout mode could be improved that have never been implemented ... because to the creators of the game, the workout mode is very obviously a low priority.

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Why do you think that a lot of people have stopped playing DDR? Because, komani has stopped calling DDR a music game. It's truly a sad state of affiars for this series.


I'd be more willing to bet that the reason isn't because of Konami's marketing. I would have to say the lack of new arcade mixes, the lack of Japanese favorites making it into US mixes, the lack of increasingly difficult steps, and the lack of gamer attention span are what contribute to people leaving the fold. Sometimes, people just get tired of playing the same game over and over again.

I would be surprised if the typical DDR player is really so fickle as to walk away from the game because of a marketing message. But then, I've watched hundreds of messages scroll by that contain the wailings and gnashings of people devastated that we have not yet seen Cartoon Heroes in a US mix, so anything is possible.
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39. PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking of which, someone pointed out something to me that I totally missed when I first read the article and saw the caption...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/tc/010505ces&tmpl=sl&e=1

I totally phased over the 'Extreme *2*' portion of the caption.

Guess I have some research to do!


Where does it say anything about that? I wanna see! E15.gif
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