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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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the fine gray dust is either dust (sparking electronics attract dust) or oxidation from the sheet metal. thats why i intend to use brass L brackets.

i dont know why that would stop the registration timing, but hey. i havent done it yet.


a new idea for contacts, how bout a whisker microswitch in the middle (or four around the edges)? then you wont have to worry about the contacts smashing against each other and forming dust. but theyre expensive, about $6 each.
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I don't know a lot about electrical but wouldn't the fried controller problem be solved by splitting a ground from the controller and soldering it to the pad itself?
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mtwieg wrote:
I've been having an ongoing problem with my pad, and I want to know if anybody has dealt with the same thing. My pad has screw contacts, much like riptide's design, and I use aluminum flashing as a contact under the panels. I noticed over the past couple weeks that my pad has been registering a lot of inexplicable ALMOSTS. not BOOS or GOODS. just ALMOST. not on just one arrow, but on them all.

So, I pop up one of the panels and find that the heads of the screws, the contact spots on the aluminum, and a one centimeter radius around the screw is covered with a fine, gray dust. My guess is that it's either oxidized zinc oxide from the screws (they're galvanized) or simply pieces of metal that rub off the screws/aluminum.

Has anybody encountered a similar phenomenon?


this happens to all pads, homebuilt or manufactured. it's just the contacts rubbing off on each other. galvanized sheet metal DOES NOT RUST. that's the point of the galvanization. all you have to do is take a brillo pad and some water. i'm not sure but i believe you're NOT SUPPOSED TO USE ANY CLEANER LIKE WINDEX. i posted a lot on the metal ddr pad forum until it got revised into the multiple pad forums they are today so you can trust me on this.
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My pad is done. I have put up a website to show everyone what I think improvements I've made. Take a look at it, and let me know what you think. As far as performance, it kicks butt! Literally activated by the weight of a shoe.

My next design will eliminate corner brackets and thin the unit down to 1 1/2" thick.

Thanks everyone whose designs and ideas helped me so much.

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Also, don't be afraid of aluminum sheeting. It's way cheaper. It looks better. Most important, It conducts electricity better. No you can't solder to it, but you can rivet the tar out of it. E1.gif
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mtwieg wrote:
I've been having an ongoing problem with my pad, and I want to know if anybody has dealt with the same thing. My pad has screw contacts, much like riptide's design, and I use aluminum flashing as a contact under the panels. I noticed over the past couple weeks that my pad has been registering a lot of inexplicable ALMOSTS. not BOOS or GOODS. just ALMOST. not on just one arrow, but on them all.

So, I pop up one of the panels and find that the heads of the screws, the contact spots on the aluminum, and a one centimeter radius around the screw is covered with a fine, gray dust. My guess is that it's either oxidized zinc oxide from the screws (they're galvanized) or simply pieces of metal that rub off the screws/aluminum.

Has anybody encountered a similar phenomenon?


this happens to all pads, homebuilt or manufactured. it's just the contacts rubbing off on each other. galvanized sheet metal DOES NOT RUST. that's the point of the galvanization. all you have to do is take a brillo pad and some water. i'm not sure but i believe you're NOT SUPPOSED TO USE ANY CLEANER LIKE WINDEX. i posted a lot on the metal ddr pad forum until it got revised into the multiple pad forums they are today so you can trust me on this.

thanks for the advice, but it actually was zinc oxide (it didn't react with hydrochloric acid, as elemental zinc would). I'm not surprised, seeing as how it had so much current going through the contacts. I'll try cleaning like you said it off then adding resistors to the circuit. If that doesnt work, i'll try a different metal for the screws...maybe iron would work...
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mtwieg wrote:
but it actually was zinc oxide


i w4s corr3ct! k1nda.
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Okay....

As I said I would in my last posting, I have created the new metal home build. No offense to any of the previous designs, but I believe this to be the best build available. There have been so many myths about how this had to be done. I have crushed them all. I have created a pad with NO CORNER BRACKETS!!!! It's 1 1/2" thick, and weighs about 30 pounds.

The best part is that it can built for less than $115.

Please check it out on the web at:

http://www.2legacy.com/ddrpad/

I look forward to everyones comments, so please feel free.
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nice job for the bracket...but I still think that keeping the bending of metal around the wood is better because there is no danger to get your feet, shoes or whatever cut by the rough cut...
dont know if I was clear... laugh.gif
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There are no rough edges if you do it right. I figured it out by accident. Somewhere back in the begining of this forum, someone made a comment about making the perfect panel. He said to score it a couple of times then bend it around the corner. I scored it a couple of times, but when I went to bend it, it broke. First I was pissed off, then after I looked at I noticed it was a perfect break. No rough edge, not even a sharp edge. I still ran the file over all edges just to make sure, but it's great.

Thanks for the comments.

Check my web page again later today (or after) I will post pics of how I did the wiring.

http://www.2legacy.com/ddrpad/
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Ugh. I pulled my pad out to play on it again. and its dead.. nothing from the contacts at all. Its most likely the controller but Ive never heard of a controller going dead from lack of use? However, I do have a new slimline ps2. So I dont know if that has something to do with it. Now I have to find and rewire a replacement. What a hassle heh.
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[color=blue]I've built my first pad, and it works like a charm. No problems...perfect. I was thinking about lighting the next one, but I can't seem to find a good link with a decent wiring diagram/instructions on how to attach the lights. Links anyone?[/color]
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SuRfReAk wrote:
I've built my first pad, and it works like a charm. No problems...perfect. I was thinking about lighting the next one, but I can't seem to find a good link with a decent wiring diagram/instructions on how to attach the lights. Links anyone?


We've talked about this subject in the last 3 pages or so. there are quite a few links and pics about this here. just look in the previous 3 pages and you'll find what you need. if you really need more help i might be able to find patser's design for adding lights to a pad somewhere on my comp....good luck.
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Alright, Alright. Don't make fun of retarded kids drool.gif. I dont understand any of the diagrams on the last few pages, and a Patser link from an older page wont work for me. Oh well, i don't think im going to use lights anyway (time+money=BAD!). Thanks anyways though.
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t3hp4dm4k3r!!!!

l33t pad.

ppl bent their aluminum over because cutting it right along the edge was a hassle, and difficult. a clean break sounds efficient, and if you break it while bending down, the edge curls down a little so you dont catch on it. 8R1LLI4NC3!!!

but i like the look of corner brackets. so they stay.




finished pad within one month!!!
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padmaker, when you say a 'roll' of aluminum, are you referring to thin aluminum flahing? if so, i don't get how you can break it, since it's so thin and flexible. I'm still undecided on whether my next pad should have bachets or not... it would make things a whole lot easier, but it's just not authentic.... oh, and what material is that under the plexiglass.
also, I would like to see what wiring methods you used.
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It is very thin, but it holds fine. I beat the crap out my pad. I am on it for about 3 hours a day. This is my second one with rolled aluminum, and no problems.

To each his own with the corner brackets. Maybe if someone could find one that didn't look like "door" hardware. I just think it's a much cleaner look without the big ugly stanley brackets.

I have 1/2" plywood sanded one side under the 1/8" plex.

Wiring pictures are now completed on my site. Please feel free to take a look. I'm sure if the aluminum flashing suprised you, then the Aluminum Screen (as in screen doors) will really get ya.

I don't make the products you dance on..... I make them better. Oh, that's BASF never mind....

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thepadmaker wrote:
It is very thin, but it holds fine. I beat the crap out my pad. I am on it for about 3 hours a day. This is my second one with rolled aluminum, and no problems.

To each his own with the corner brackets. Maybe if someone could find one that didn't look like "door" hardware. I just think it's a much cleaner look without the big ugly stanley brackets.

I have 1/2" plywood sanded one side under the 1/8" plex.

Wiring pictures are now completed on my site. Please feel free to take a look. I'm sure if the aluminum flashing suprised you, then the Aluminum Screen (as in screen doors) will really get ya.

I don't make the products you dance on..... I make them better. Oh, that's BASF never mind....

http://www.2legacy.com/ddrpad/

i was thinking of setting up my contacts like that. I'll definetely do that next time. What kind of wire is that connecting the washers? also, what did you use to make the recess for the controller?
also, i' assuming that making a border around the entire pad is necesarry to prevent the arrow panels from sliding out, correct?
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I made the recessed hole with a router using a 1/2 inch staight cutter (I think it's called a "flute"). I set the depth at a 1/2" and just kept going back and forth until I removed as much as I needed to. You don't see it in any pictures (because I forget to take them), but I had to add a small recess on the right side of the front too, so I could accomodate the buttons.

The wire is just #18-2 bare copper thermostat wire.

To answer your question about the border....

Technically no, the arrows stay fine because of the screws, but....

YES! I do think that if your going to build a pad you have to finish it. The difference between a pad that "looks homemade", and homemade pad that "looks professional" is the border. I've actually had to pause on the pad building for a minute to finish some furniture orders for X-Mas. As soon as my border is done, I will post pics.


On a previous post you asked about how I break the tabs off the aluminum. Score it, score it, and then score it again. By the time you take a (because I don't know it's technical term I'm going to make one up) Stanley Retractable Razor Cutter and run it along the underside edge of the aluminum 3 times, you're almost all the way through it. Then you simply just bend the flaps up just like you would if you were wrapping the edges, and it will break off.

That's it.

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ok ok, two more questions riiight.gif
How much does it weigh total?
Also, it seems from your instructions that the arrow panels are pretty thick (1/8" plex + 1/2" wood + about 1/8" contact screws). about how much is the height difference between the arrows and the metal panels? I ask this because I like a bit of difference so I can feel where I am, unlike on most third party metal pads such as the cobalt flux.
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do your arrows travel ok? i ask because the screw threads in the corners seem to rub against the plexi and catch and stuff.

or are the threads further down the shaft like machine screws, so theyre smooth at the top?
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