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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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Well what are the screws for that go down through the top of the brackets through the lucite? just to keep the buttons in line?


Well, that is up to you. If you don't want to, you don't even have to screw them down. They should have no problem staying in place. Furthermore this helps to prevent the steps from cracking and chipping arround the screws. If you really need to though you can use any type of screw that you feel fits the appeal. Just make sure to pre dril you holes before you put it all together.
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Does anyone have a clue on how you can cut some 22 guage sheet metal? Like which tool? Any help would be greatly apreciated. I'm using Riptide's design.


Hey Type-Z, I'm also hip-deep in making a Riptide design pad. For cutting sheet metal you have a couple options - lowest cost would probably be using tin snips, but that results in raggedness after the blade ends. I'd probably go with either a Dremel (or similar rotary tool) or a Jigsaw with a metal cut blade. If you use power tools, though, be sure to wear a thick long sleeved shirt and safety glasses - my friend got some metal embedded in his arm after using a Dremel sans shirt.

Also, I've got a question to Riptiders out there - I followed the plans for his new-style pad (with the plywood base and cut-corner plexiglass) and the time to wire it up is coming near. However, looking through his page, I can't figure out where the wires come out of the pad and go between each panel - there's no space between the corner brackets, and I don't notice any drilled holes in the wood supports. Can anyone tell me how they strung the wires around their pad? (I don't really have a problem with the mending brackets part, that's straightforward - it's how the wires go from each panel to the controller that's bugging me.)

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I used heavy duty Olfa scissors (yellow handle) that have serrated cutting blades to cut the sheet metal I bought. If I remember correctly the thickness was 26 guage aluminum flashing. No rough edges at all. I bought the scissors at an art/craft store.
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Thanks for your reply Heffenfeffer, but I do have a jigsaw, but that doesn't work as when I start to cut it, the blade falls off after cutting an 8th of an inch. Doh. I've bought like 3 different pairs of snips from Home Depot already. It's getting kind of annoying as none of them can cut past the length of the blades. I asked my uncle about it, maybe he'll have an answer for me in a couple days.
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biggrin.gif just got my pad done, and it works like a charm. First AA on kind lady, nothing to impressive, but it shows it works. Ill be posting some pictures here in the near future.[/img]
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http://www.angelfire.com/games5/shsbrando/
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awesome man, i cant wait to finish mine, is that ddrhomepads design? if so did you do the screw mod and what weatherstripping did you use.
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Yea, mine is ddrhomepads design, except using the rails, i put a piece of plywood under it, and cut little indentations to let the wires in. The weather stripping i used is just 7/16's thick. When i went to put all the screws in, the arrows were to tight against the plywood, so i had to loosen them so that they still held the arrow enough in place.
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I haven't had the patience to search this entire thread, but can we buy pads from you guys, and if so, how much would it cost (is living in Ottawa a problem)?

Also, how hard would it be for a 13 year old with lazy parents to make his own?

Edit: If you got an adapter, could you plug it into the computer?

Post Edit: lightbulb.gif OH OH OH! lightbulb.gif Could I use some parts from my soft pad, for instance, the curcuit board? lightbulb.gif That would be so helpful! That way I wouldn't feel like I wasted $40 for nothing. laugh.gif

Post Post edit: goog.gif riiight.gif Does http://www.angelfire.com/d20/ddrhomepad/ ever say how to actually put the controller wires into the metal pad?
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Im gonna try to answer your questions.

I haven't had the patience to search this entire thread, but can we buy pads from you guys, and if so, how much would it cost (is living in Ottawa a problem)?

-it costs around 100-130 to build one (only took me 60 bucks because i had a lot of the materials) and takes around 2-3 days to build one. I wouldnt build one for someone becuase i would be afraid of the buyer not being satisfied with it for some reason. Now thats not to say that someone would though, i bet there are people who would do it for you. The other problem would be shipping and matience fees. So you would be paying like 200 all together or somewhere around there. It is in the price range of a RO o a BNS, but homebuilt pads are VERY easy to repair.

Also, how hard would it be for a 13 year old with lazy parents to make his own?

- Its not very hard to build your own pad. The only tool you really need is a jigsaw and a pair of tin snips. (i built mine by myself, but i like to build things and i am also 16)

If you got an adapter, could you plug it into the computer?

-Yes, i play on DWI, its just that the refresh rate is bit different, and takes time to get used to it.

lightbulb.gif OH OH OH! lightbulb.gif Could I use some parts from my soft pad, for instance, the curcuit board? lightbulb.gif That would be so helpful! That way I wouldn't feel like I wasted $40 for nothing. laugh.gif

-Yes, it is actually easier to build a pad off the soft pad circuit board because the sodering points are HUGE. Plus everything is labeled for all of you who dont know wtf you are doin. The only problem with using a pad circuit, is that you will have to make buttons for the X and START, (instead of using the actual controler) but if you look at RipTides design, it shouldnt be a problem.
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Ok I finished my pad based on ddrhomepads design and used riptides graphics for the buttons. I think Im in love... Im a total newb (gotta start sometime) I was doing ok on 2 and 3 footers on my soft pad (dont make fun of me hahah) and I played 4 footers all night on my metal pad and was doing decent a-c grades. I love my metal pad and cant wait for my CF to get here to compare
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This is just an idea for a possible handle-mod. Since the back-two metal squares in riptide's model ( as far as I know ) don't have wiring or anything important in them, couldn't you add something like the track things they use on computer desks to allow an 'arm' of metal or some other material to reach of the bottom left and right spaces to the back, with something sticking up at the end allowing a bar with a handle to be placed on it? Sorta confusing in text, yeah. lol



Um.. Yeah, its ugly, and I cut the bottom off. but oh well. The pad itself is self-explanatory, but the rectangular shape inside would be able to slide, and turn at the end so that the end point with the spot filled with grey ( the point sticking up ) would be able to have a bar with a handle attached or something.

Maybe it could work with the right materials, but I dunno, just an idea.
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Yea i was actually thinking about putting wheels and a handle on it, maybe they could both like flip out of the side or something. But yea it would make it a lot more convienient and easier to carry around E13.gif
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Sane wrote:
I haven't had the patience to search this entire thread, but can we buy pads from you guys, and if so, how much would it cost (is living in Ottawa a problem)?

Also, how hard would it be for a 13 year old with lazy parents to make his own?

Edit: If you got an adapter, could you plug it into the computer?

Post Edit: lightbulb.gif OH OH OH! lightbulb.gif Could I use some parts from my soft pad, for instance, the curcuit board? lightbulb.gif That would be so helpful! That way I wouldn't feel like I wasted $40 for nothing. laugh.gif

Post Post edit: goog.gif riiight.gif Does http://www.angelfire.com/d20/ddrhomepad/ ever say how to actually put the controller wires into the metal pad?


1)Im not sure if people will build them and sell them. Its alot of work and at the cost of materials when your not mass producing wouldnt really make it worth it. I spent about $130 on materials and I would prolly think $200 would be a fair price for all the work, but at that point it might be better to get a RO for $200

2)I dont think it would be all that hard to do. Youll need to solder and some of the problems youll run into are having all of the tools. Lucky my dad (Im 20) has a garage full of tools at my disposal. Another problem some people have is cutting the lucite/lexan but if you have a circularsaw you can get the saw blade from Home Depot/Lowe's makes it pretty easy as long as you can cut a straight line.

3)Yes there are a few adapters out there. No sure on links though I use Xbox so i can use my homemade usb converter.

4)kind of but its not really direct. The base part of the buttons are wired together as the common ground. and each of the top parts of the buttons (the part that rests ON the weatherstripping) has the wire for the coresponding button connected to the sheetmetal.

5)And to build your on control box I recomend Sinistars box, I used his guides to make my own.

http://www.fithlan.com/ddr/index.html
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Okay thanks you two! I showed this stuff to my dad, and we are building one! We have some of these materials, so it should only cost about $100. E4.gif Awesome.

Do you know where I could get a USB adapter converter?

And, for the arrow decals, should I print them off, or order them in, or draw my own, or rip them off my soft pad?

(I don't know if the last person was saying if I could use the soft pad wiring or not. E15.gif )

Edit: That site is for an XBox Control Box, and the arrow template won't load. Do you know how I could build a control box, that would be sweeeet..
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I believe his arrow template is in PSD format which requires photoshop. I used the graphics from riptides design which is the 4 japanese symbols for north south east and west. I just threw the pics on a CD and took em to staples and told them the dimensions I wanted them printed in and they did it for about $7 total.

When you say usb adapter converter you mean xbox->usb? not quite sure because later in the post you mentioned the xbox cbox is not what you need i believe.

Dont use the soft pad wiring just the board thats in the plastic box on the pad.

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Edit: That site is for an XBox Control Box, and the arrow template won't load. Do you know how I could build a control box, that would be sweeeet..


I assume by that you mean your looking for a playstation control box. If so you can take the theory from the ddrhomepad design on wiring up the psx controller for use with a pad and combine it with the instructions to build the xbox one in the black box.

EDIT: Im going to post pictures of my completed pad once I get home from work, I get off in two and a half hours.
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Bah...a controller box sounds too complicated...

Yes, PS2, as in an adapter for playing it on Step Mania with the metal pad.

The decals are 11" x 11" right? So I'll see what I can find that looks good.

(The download was .zip, so it doesn't need photoshop, at least not yet...the link itself didn't work)


What would you recommend for the best site for me to make my metal pad?
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Sane wrote:
Bah...a controller box sounds too complicated...

Yes, PS2, as in an adapter for playing it on Step Mania with the metal pad.

The decals are 11" x 11" right? So I'll see what I can find that looks good.

(The download was .zip, so it doesn't need photoshop, at least not yet...the link itself didn't work)


What would you recommend for the best site for me to make my metal pad?


yeah his link used to work I had that arrow template but I think I deleted it.

Im not gonna be much of a help on the ps2 adapter because i dont on a ps2. Ive seen people talking about a ps2->parallel adapter but not sure about usb.

The decals will be 11x11 if all your measurments are perfect and everything screws together perfect. Mine came out to be like 10.75 inches square I believe.
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http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/jedijeff/arrows.html

Huzzah! E7.gif

Now I just put it on a C-D and bring it to staples, right? After I get the measurments of course.

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Wait a second. erm.gif

That $135 is American, right? How much would it cost in Canada? I looked at all the materials, and It shouldn't even cost over $100 in Canada. frust.gif Uhoh... Bad for me, I may not be able to do this anymore. (Why I can't I use the ground wires from the soft pad again?)

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"Metal Panel

Center the sheet metal over the wood and drill 4 holes,
one in each corner. Put a screw in each corner. I used
Phillips Mod Truss, Lath, Self Drill screws that are 1 1/4
inches long. Don't screw in the screws all the way yet.
Take a rubber mallet and pound the sheet metal to wrap
around the sides of the plywood. You will have to snip
the corners with tin snips. Underneath the plywood,
glue two rails along the sides, laying the wider sides
flat to reach from corner to corner. I used 1 inch by
2 inch MDF fiberboard. Pre-drill holes in the MDF for
the screws because the fiberboard splits. Now screw the
4 screws all the way into the rails. You wil build 5 of
these panels. All the rails run horizontally (left to right).

UPDATE - Because the MDF splits easily, I would use
some other 1 inch by 2 inch rail, something cheap like pine."


What is this about rails now? E19.gif E19.gif E19.gif

There are still some unanswered questions in my previous post.

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And dude, why such complex wiring?

http://junta.cromas.net/images/arrowwiring.jpg
http://junta.cromas.net/images/weatherstripscrewswires.jpg
http://junta.cromas.net/images/insidearrowpanel.jpg
http://junta.cromas.net/images/insidewholepad.jpg

Like WTF? frust.gif goog.gif

I thought all you need to do is solder ONE wire to each of the sheet metal pieces underneath the arrow??? E19.gif E19.gif E19.gif

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Cromas's looks a lot easier:

http://ddr.cromas.net/Construction/DSCF0077.JPG

And looks pretty sweet also:

http://ddr.cromas.net/Construction/DSCF0087.JPG

What would you say is the best and easiest way to make a good metal pad?
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Yeah $130USD,


the 'rails' are refering to the wood 1x2 boards that are along each side of the pegboard in the picture. yes ddrhomepads design only involves 1 wire. those pics you linked to are someone elses design not ddrhomepads.
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