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vsamaco
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1620.  Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 7:16 am Post subject: Re: Need some advice |
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Cobalt Flux ($300)
-Most durable pad on the market w/ 6 month warranty
-Unlike arcade feel due to the totally flat surface
-offer center panel support for games like PUI
-takes about 3+ weeks to build/deliver
-$300!?
All the pads below
-ideal features (polycarbon arrows and metal frame)
usual features (1.5 thick, copper grid contact, foam spacer, same wiring, dinky led lights on arrows, external control box).
-offer a closer than CF but not exact arcade feeling
-not as sensitive around the corners (copper grid doesn't cover the whole area of the arrow)
-require more care than CF
Across the line, comparing brand new/non-defected pads, they all pretty much have the same durability because they are essential the same pad with different label (with minor additions: extra 3 inch on RO, wtf?). These pads will prob give you no major problems for the first 6 months as a moderate-heavy player, given that you clean the pad every once in a while. After that, you may have to do some minor fixes such as replacing cracked arrow or foam, reattach a lose wire, or something tha t impedes gameplay or deems the pad inoperable. With some time and dedication, you could probably fix it and make your pad last for a year or more.
So here is what your buying with these metal pads
Red Octane Metal Pad ($200)
-60 day warranty w/ decent customer service
-arrows have metal sheet rather than foil, does not require sheet metal mod
BNS Metal Pad ($149)
-30 day warranty w/ sub-par customer service
-was known to ship parts of other brands like cyphergames (as long as they do the same thing and don't break w/in the week its doesn't matter right?)
Ebay dealers below *use search by seller and search for ddr in the 'visit my store' section
-return policy for defected items w/in the week of arrival (shipping for defective item not covered)
-basically no warranty
-customer service is provided by dealer/very limited
-flat shipping rate
-should't rip you off dealers
-I think are just as good as RO/BNS
-less than RO and BNS!
ngult ($129) *out of stock - 7/23/2004, prob stock more next week
-Canada.... good? bad ($60 to US)? where you are...
-has the extra 3 inch thingy like RO
judysdeals ($100) *out of stock - 7/23/2004, prob stock more next week
-may squeek on very soft carpet
Ebay - discount-auction ($100)
-3 months ago, shipped me a tx-1000 w/ acrylic arrows but recently shipped other ppl the actual pad
-Wow ok, now he adds this comment: "Poly Carbonated Panels" are not the same as the cheap TX1000 Cheal (missed the p button  ) Plastic Panels! so I guess he won't ship those pads again?
-A BNS clone or made by BNS with no label?
Metal pads w/ bars
I wouldn't suggest getting these types of pads. These pads are lightweights(70lbs) compared to arcade(200lbs). You'll most likely tip yourself over or break your pad in the process if you put too much weight on the bar. Also, it cost an extra $40+ for the addition. Home metal pads weren't built durable/heavy enough as arcade for a bar to safely support a grown person's weight. For those that insist the bar, here are two vendors that sells a pad w/ bar that has polycarbon arrows unlike most dealers:
BuynShop ($239)
-30 day warranty
-The first picture is a tx-2000 (only 4 screws near center) which has acrylic but second picture seems like BNS brand pad that would have polycarbon. I would contact the dealer to confirm that the pad does indeed have polycarbon because pictures of two different pads appear on the site.
game-enchancer v3.1($169-189)
-DOA policy, no warranty
-ships from canada
What pad should I get?
Cobalt Flux
-have money
-don't want to do alot of maintanence
-solution to those who can break metal pads within the year
RO/BNS
-can't afford CF but want some assurances (warranty, customer service)
Ebay
-no money but can't stand soft pads
Yes, there are other websites that offer metal pads that I didn't mention. But either they offered pads with acrylic arrows, tx-1000 + tx-2000 (acrylic arrows), or more expensive. Also dealers that say or picture a pad with with only four screws on top is a tx-1000. NEO pads on ebay have acrylic arrows. Look at the pad description, it will specifically say what type of arrows the pads have.
If a pad w/ acrylic arrows is your only option, you could directly refer to BNS/RO for polycarbon arrows (*note, will not work for tx pads). The arrows on lik-sang and play-asia are acrylic arrow.
Is there anything else I miss?
Watch there be another post about what/which pad to get on this same page....
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| 1621. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Haha, I'll probably go for the Cobalt Flux then.
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vsamaco
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| 1622. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| Wow.... they should just give up on the bar I swear. |
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Synpax
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| 1623. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| Sinistar wrote: | | Synpax wrote: |
Also - I sent ROs response to CF, because RO disses CF in their note to me. I want to see what CF has to say about this. |
Where was the dis? There was the statement that RO builds the best metal pads on the market, but it isn't as though they said, "CFs r 4 suckaz!"
It wouldn't do them any good to say, "We might be second best" when you're sending them a message essentially saying, "Prove to me your pad rules." 
I mean, really, you're just starting a pissing match between the two. What's the point? You'll get much more valid opinions from the people right here. |
The dis' is
1) Their pad is better
2) they are impling that they use real metal rather than foil in CF
3) they are implying their buttons are made of a more reliable material than CF
And since no one on this board has said "I have used/own both pads and this is what I think", I am trying to get the details as best between each of them.
Auto ads often compare their models to the opponents, as do video card makers, etc. |
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| 1624. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: |
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| Synpax wrote: |
The dis' is
1) Their pad is better
2) they are impling that they use real metal rather than foil in CF
3) they are implying their buttons are made of a more reliable material than CF
And since no one on this board has said "I have used/own both pads and this is what I think", I am trying to get the details as best between each of them.
Auto ads often compare their models to the opponents, as do video card makers, etc. |
Except that
1) They want to make money, so yeah, they're gonna say that.
2) The CF doesn't use foil. It uses sheet metal, 26 guage.
3) The CF uses Lexan, which is a polycarbonate material.
So, still no dis. I don't think you got a response that specifically addressed the CF. You got one that addressed the cheap hard pads from eBay.
It's probably safe to say that not a lot of people at RO have played on both pads, either. And even if they did, they're absolutely not going to give you an honest assessment of the competition.
While most people here have not had both pads, it can be assumed that representatives at either company are also not going to be regular users of the product of the competition. To assume that even if they were, they'd tell you about it is just kinda foolish.
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Synpax
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| 1625. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Sinistar wrote: |
While most people here have not had both pads, it can be assumed that representatives at either company are also not going to be regular users of the product of the competition. To assume that even if they were, they'd tell you about it is just kinda foolish. |
This post makes you look pretty naive. MAybe take a break from the arcade and get a job? The most regular users of a product aside from those who make it are should be their competitor - stressed to me repeatedly in the course of business school, in the own companies I have worked for, and in the businesses I have run.
Further evidence that you are incorrect is in the latest post on my blog where the CF rep contradicts what RO says about their own pad - cause *gasp* they have one.
BTW - None of this is a dis to you. Har har
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| 1626. Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2004 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Synpax wrote: | This post makes you look pretty naive. MAybe take a break from the arcade and get a job? The most regular users of a product aside from those who make it are should be their competitor - stressed to me repeatedly in the course of business school, in the own companies I have worked for, and in the businesses I have run.
Further evidence that you are incorrect is in the latest post on my blog where the CF rep contradicts what RO says about their own pad - cause *gasp* they have one.
BTW - None of this is a dis to you. Har har |
Of course it's not a dis to me, suggesting that 1) I've played DDR in an arcade (never have) and 2) I don't have a job (I have two, I'm 31, I pull in $70K a year, thanks).  Competitive analyses are always an excellent business practice, but, typically, there is a very small group of people within a company that have that task and are the ones that experience competitors' products. Their analysis is then used by other groups in guaging responses to that competition.
VERY TYPICALLY, the people answering support e-mail do not have a role in those analyses.
It would seem that in the case of hard pads, CF is on the ball and know their competition well. However, RO answered you with info that didn't even apply to the CF's construction (and, it would seem, to their own). So my response holds up for at least one party here.
Interestingly, however, you quoted my statement that competing companies would not be regular users of the competition's products. I still stand by that statement. Your correspondence proving that CF owns an RO pad is not proof that they use it regularly. I guess if they wrote you and said, "Yeah, we have one, we play on it all the time", I'd have to come back here and make a correction. Until then...
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| 1627. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:48 am Post subject: |
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i have a question. I just built a metal pad. and im still having trouble calibrating everything. here is a picture of my pad [/img]http://s87455554.onlinehome.us/pics/imgs/DDR/finished.JPG[/img]
anyway though, its not going that well and im thinking of buying a cobalt flux, but i would actually like it to be exactly like the arcade, (stepping down into the button) not all flat. i do like how i can use the pad for pump it up too though. but is it possible to buy the real arcade pad(1 of em) and hook it up to a controller for playing like on an xbox or something? that would be trully awsome, haha. but yea, i really cant get my pad to feel just right. ive been calibrating it for the past week.[/img] |
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Jopo
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| 1628. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| o yea, and another thing. if you work at a job and you dont have to pay bills(your a teenager like me) then just buy a pad. i mean its a lot easier to work minimum wage for 2 weeks and have a nice pad then trying to make it yourself. |
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folgersnyourcup
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| 1629. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Need some advice |
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| vsamaco wrote: | | Watch there be another post about what/which pad to get on this same page.... |
Not trying to be too snippy here, but you were right, as you did not mention this pad in your comparisons:
http://www.buynshop.com/productinfo/44/VG-DDR-AMPD/
I have heard nothing about it and was wondering how it compares to the CF. Including shipping, the CF is 50 dollars more.
I was deciding which pad to purchase. I own 2 mymybox pads that I purchased from E-bay two years ago which worked alright up until one day all four panels on both pads suddenly shattered when a 110 pound girl played on them. It made absolutely no sense as she steps very lightly, and I suspect that the panels were just "ready" to break for whatever reason. I am going to try and restore those two pads and then sell them for very cheap. |
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| 1630. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Sinistar wrote: | | Synpax wrote: | This post makes you look pretty naive. MAybe take a break from the arcade and get a job? The most regular users of a product aside from those who make it are should be their competitor - stressed to me repeatedly in the course of business school, in the own companies I have worked for, and in the businesses I have run.
Further evidence that you are incorrect is in the latest post on my blog where the CF rep contradicts what RO says about their own pad - cause *gasp* they have one.
BTW - None of this is a dis to you. Har har |
Of course it's not a dis to me, suggesting that 1) I've played DDR in an arcade (never have) and 2) I don't have a job (I have two, I'm 31, I pull in $70K a year, thanks). Competitive analyses are always an excellent business practice, but, typically, there is a very small group of people within a company that have that task and are the ones that experience competitors' products. Their analysis is then used by other groups in guaging responses to that competition.
VERY TYPICALLY, the people answering support e-mail do not have a role in those analyses.
It would seem that in the case of hard pads, CF is on the ball and know their competition well. However, RO answered you with info that didn't even apply to the CF's construction (and, it would seem, to their own). So my response holds up for at least one party here.
Interestingly, however, you quoted my statement that competing companies would not be regular users of the competition's products. I still stand by that statement. Your correspondence proving that CF owns an RO pad is not proof that they use it regularly. I guess if they wrote you and said, "Yeah, we have one, we play on it all the time", I'd have to come back here and make a correction. Until then... |
it can be assumed that representatives at either company are also not going to be regular users of the product of the competition
For companies as small as RO and CF with such a niche market, it would be a very naive assumption. The guy that answered the email probably helps build the pads and possibly owns the company.
Further, the people that are 'representatives' of the company are the most likely people to be familiar with the competitors product cause' they are the ones who are trying to convince you otherwise. Walk into any car dealership and tell them you want the Jag XKR but are leaning towards the Maserati. They will probably be able to tell you a thing or two about why their car is better.
And since we are comparing penis sizes, I am 26, have been in an arcade, and make substantially more money than you.
Also, I specifically asked RO what made their pad better than CF. Those were the reasons they gave me which does imply they were referring to CF. And obviously they do know about the design of some competitors because their answers reveal knowledge of other pads designs.
I suppose I could *ask* him if he was referring to CF pads. Would that make you happy?
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| 1631. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Need some advice |
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| folgersnyourcup wrote: | | vsamaco wrote: | | Watch there be another post about what/which pad to get on this same page.... |
Not trying to be too snippy here, but you were right, as you did not mention this pad in your comparisons:
http://www.buynshop.com/productinfo/44/VG-DDR-AMPD/
I have heard nothing about it and was wondering how it compares to the CF. Including shipping, the CF is 50 dollars more.
I was deciding which pad to purchase. I own 2 mymybox pads that I purchased from E-bay two years ago which worked alright up until one day all four panels on both pads suddenly shattered when a 110 pound girl played on them. It made absolutely no sense as she steps very lightly, and I suspect that the panels were just "ready" to break for whatever reason. I am going to try and restore those two pads and then sell them for very cheap. |
I added some insight about pads w/ bars to original post.
The bar on those pads won't be like the arcade. The pads weighs 70lbs while the arcade weighs 200+lbs, so there is a good chance you can tip it over or break your pad if you try to use it. Home metal pads are just not durable/heavy enough as arcade to support a person's weight. I'd spend your extra money getting a more durable pad with CF if your going to spend that much. |
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| 1632. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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Any suggestions on a metal pad for a doubles player?
I just got back into DDR after about a year. I've been looking online for some nice metal home pads. Now, I must say I only play doubles, so I'm not sure how well the two pads with stay together if I bought two separately. A dual pad like at the arcade would be ideal, or somehow welded together...y'know, something like that. If the 2 separate pads will stay in place on the ground then that would work as well. However, I will need to be moving them out of the room when I am not playing, so I can't use anything to permanently secure them to the floor.
If anyone has any suggestions on some good arcade style pads for a doubles player, I would greatly appreciate it.
I was looking at these particular pads on eBay, but I'm not sure of the quality of them, or how identical to arcade pads they will actually be.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21185&item=8120246240&rd=1
If anyone has any experience with these pads would you please post your opinion?
Thanks for any input in advance. |
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| 1633. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Shells wrote: | Any suggestions on a metal pad for a doubles player?
I just got back into DDR after about a year. I've been looking online for some nice metal home pads. Now, I must say I only play doubles, so I'm not sure how well the two pads with stay together if I bought two separately. A dual pad like at the arcade would be ideal, or somehow welded together...y'know, something like that. If the 2 separate pads will stay in place on the ground then that would work as well. However, I will need to be moving them out of the room when I am not playing, so I can't use anything to permanently secure them to the floor.
If anyone has any suggestions on some good arcade style pads for a doubles player, I would greatly appreciate it.
I was looking at these particular pads on eBay, but I'm not sure of the quality of them, or how identical to arcade pads they will actually be.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=21185&item=8120246240&rd=1
If anyone has any experience with these pads would you please post your opinion?
Thanks for any input in advance. |
See my previous post on this page about pads with a bar. I wouldn't suggest those pads because they have acrylic instead of polycarbon arrows.
If you have enough money for two pads of that price, you could probably afford two CF pads bundle for $580. Plus they have an accessory to hold the two pads together here. Also refer to my metal pad suggestion post near top of this page to how it compares to other pads. CF is the most durable pad you can get for your money.
Unfortunately I don't have any other suggestion to hold two non-CF metal pads together...
| Sinistar wrote: | This stuff will keep all CFs stationary on any surface.
I've used it on carpeting on uneven floors, on gymnasium floors, and on concrete. The CF won't budge if you have a nonslip rug pad under it. |
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| 1634. Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2004 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, thanks a lot for the response. I really appreciate it. The pads look really nice on CF.
Another main concern I have is that the pads feel like the arcade. I searched your earlier posts on this page and I saw you stated that the CF has an "unlike the arcade feel because of its flat surface"? From looking at the picture it appears the metal inbetween each arrow would help me determine where I am on the pad, am I wrong?
My sister has some cheap soft pads that we modded by taping them to a wooden board etc...which suits her fine just playing on one side. Myself on the other hand, I find it impossible to play doubles on those types of pads because basically I can't tell where the hell I am when I'm flying around to each end of the pads.
I am looking (as I'm sure everyone else is) for the most arcade feel, but I think it's a lot easier to determine where you're stepping on a single pad than on both, which is why being able to distinguish between the arrows and metal, etc is important.
If there are no pads identical or atleast similar to the arcade in that respect, I may just buy a machine. |
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| 1635. Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:29 am Post subject: |
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| Ok, im getting some money in a few days and i need to know what metal pad would be the best at a price range of 150$ or so.. Help would be appreciated pls. Also if i need to mod it etc.. Thanx |
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| 1637. Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:10 pm Post subject: Red Octane metal pads |
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Ok, I have had a person tell me I have to mod a metal pad, now I thought that modding was only needed for the soft pads. Well can someone explain for me and tell me whats the best thing I can do.
I only have 55$ cause I have two metal Red Octane Metal Pads coming.
They look exactly like this by the way.
http://store.yahoo.com/adux/redoctanemetalpad.htmlv
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) So the whole top of the CF pad is smooth.
