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Slothboy
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2140.  Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I need someones help
Can I take a MyMyBox or any other metal pad that is like it (like cheap metal pads) and replace the copper with sheet metal. I've already done the the mod with replacing the foil, but is it also possible to replace the copper?
can someone please help and let me know if this is a good idea. |
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tolookah
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| 2141. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help Me |
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| moonmen0 wrote: | I have read all 107 pages and not really found many of the answer that i needed to start building my pad, so here is goes
I am worried about “shorting out my control” I have a gamepad brand controller , is it a better idea if I solder multiple grounds the controller rather than just one?
What about if I can connect a ground to a ground on a wall outlet of surge suppressor.
Is it okay to solder at the same points that the wires for the controller are connected to the board.
Is it okay to use the grounds for the L1 R1, L2 R2 buttons, does It matter if I take those buttons off? |
| morgan_rhys wrote: |
In re: shorting out pad. It is easiest to connect one wire to a ground in your controller then connect all of your button grounds to that wire. This still effectively grounds your pad buttons without overcrowding your controller PCB. |
Correct, they are very much so the same ground. 
| morgan_rhys wrote: | | Grounding to an exterior outlet could also be useful, but it does increase the number of wires running out from the pad, and you still need to ground into the controller board to complete the circuits for the buttons to work. |
Incorrect: the playstation ground is not earth ground, and i wouldn't wanna force it to be.
| morgan_rhys wrote: | I don't know if soldering to the same places that the wires are connected to the board would work or not, but I would not because it doesn't seem that it would run throught the controller chip that way. I could be mistaken though, as I'm not an electrical engineer, or anything.  |
if you mean just from the playstation cable, then no, its not the same thing, the signal is a digital signal to/from the chip, and one hell of one at that. (if you want more info on the signal, check Here.
| morgan_rhys wrote: | | Yes, it should be ok. I just ripped the L & R buttons off completely from one of my controllers because I wanted to have more room for wires. |
Yes, the L and R buttons are useable for the ground connection.
As a side note, your big problem will probably be static, which will fry out that controller, I would suggest using either a PCB made to play DDR or a sony controller PCB, as they are the most stable.
coolmantheboom: Just as a note, the playstation controller runs at 5V(im pretty sure) has an internal 750mA fuse for the whole controller bus, which includes both controllers and both mem cards, most of the time, this is more than enough, but on my own personal research, the computer neons are something like 12V and 300-400mA each. the controller port doesnt nearly have enough power to run them, so you may wanna consider external power (which is a pain, i know, but it's worth it... ) in a few weeks time, expect me to post a decent guide on my DDR pads units 2 and 3, complete with LED lighting, cost for lighting is running at about $30 per pad (LEDs, Power supply, interface, ect.)
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coolmantheboom
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| 2142. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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hmm, i am realy condistering useing an external power supply (i have one lyeing around from an old comp) i was just worryed about it looking weird, but ill find a way to make it look less weird thanks for you help
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Wiggy Fifes
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| 2143. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| you guys probably posted it but do u know where i can buy some paper material that prints 12 x 12, can you buy it in Staples or Office Depot or whatever. And whats the paper called. thx. |
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Weston
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| 2144. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| For arrow graphics? Kinkos is where I did all mine. Just print off a smaller version of the graphics from your computer, then get it enlarged and printed. |
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tolookah
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| 2145. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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if you have a printer that can do it, search the office store websites for 13x19 paper, then you dont have to worry about margins (it's what i do)
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Tyris
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| 2146. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I apologise that my images didnt work in the previus post.. I was sure I'd checked and they had... o well... they must have been cached or something...
anyway, they seem to work fine now I think...
(Unless they've re-cached), so check it out now here: http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=7675311#7675311
again, hope it helps  ;
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moonmen0
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| 2147. Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | morgan_rhys wrote:
Grounding to an exterior outlet could also be useful, but it does increase the number of wires running out from the pad, and you still need to ground into the controller board to complete the circuits for the buttons to work.
Incorrect: the playstation ground is not earth ground, and i wouldn't wanna force it to be. |
i was gonna attach a wire from the pad (not the controller) to something grounded (maybe a computer case or an outlet) i know that the grounds are different, just trying to keep the static e- down inside the pad, to avoid problems with the controller
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morgan_rhys
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| 2148. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:21 am Post subject: My DDR Pad Pictures |
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Ok, for those of you who are interested; I threw together a quick web site.(I hadn't bothered before, because I didn't really have any need for one) There are some pictures of my first pad in the photo gallery.
Here it is:
Morgan_Rhys' Site
I will be putting some more pictures up when I get a chance to put together my second pad, but for right now I'm in limbo waiting for the rest of my Stanley corners to come back into stock at Home Depot.
Last edited by morgan_rhys on Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:18 pm, edited 1 time in total |
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Rock Lee!
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Wiggy Fifes
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| 2150. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| a couple more things do u drill the controller and solder? or just solder it. |
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morgan_rhys
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| 2151. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BusterCloud wrote: | I have been working on a pad for quite a while, now, and after going through a few controllers, I've realized I can't solder.
Is anyone willing to send me a pre-soldered controller? I will pay them, and will cover the costs of the wires, shipping, and controller.
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I'd be willing to. PM me if you'd like. Or, there is another person on the board that has offered before. I think it was hooded_paladin, I apologize if I got the name wrong, but it was something like that.
So see...there's plenty of help to be had here. |
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morgan_rhys
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| 2152. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| SILLY GOOSE wrote: | | a couple more things do u drill the controller and solder? or just solder it. |
Take your pick. It really depends on the controller you are using, and how you want to do it. I just soldered mine. Mostly because it is easier, and less risky in terms of destroying your controller PCB. |
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Wiggy Fifes
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| 2153. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| whats the ground(on the controller) do. |
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tolookah
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| 2154. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| SILLY GOOSE wrote: | | whats the ground(on the controller) do. |
quick answer, its a reference point, when the hot side of a button touches it, it is considered pressed.
Long answer: the button is wired as follows, +Vcc (usually 5 volts) then a 220k resistor (or higher). its after the resistor where the chip on the controller is connected to. while not pressed (open circuit), the voltage at that point is Vcc, because there is no current through the resistor, causing no voltage drop. when the button is pressed (short to ground) the voltage is forced to 0V, because that is directly in contact with ground. the chip just reads the reference voltage, and decides if the button is pressed based on that. the ground provides a place for current to flow, and the other side of reference voltage. without it, you can not complete a circuit.
Hope one of those answers was what you were looking for.
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Wiggy Fifes
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| 2155. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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| tolookah wrote: |
quick answer, its a reference point, when the hot side of a button touches it, it is considered pressed.
Long answer: the button is wired as follows, +Vcc (usually 5 volts) then a 220k resistor (or higher). its after the resistor where the chip on the controller is connected to. while not pressed (open circuit), the voltage at that point is Vcc, because there is no current through the resistor, causing no voltage drop. when the button is pressed (short to ground) the voltage is forced to 0V, because that is directly in contact with ground. the chip just reads the reference voltage, and decides if the button is pressed based on that. the ground provides a place for current to flow, and the other side of reference voltage. without it, you can not complete a circuit.
Hope one of those answers was what you were looking for. |
Thx. one more thing about ground. What do u do with it when building the dancepad. |
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morgan_rhys
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| 2156. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: Please Help Me |
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| morgan_rhys wrote: | | Grounding to an exterior outlet could also be useful, but it does increase the number of wires running out from the pad, and you still need to ground into the controller board to complete the circuits for the buttons to work. |
| tolookah wrote: | | Incorrect: the playstation ground is not earth ground, and i wouldn't wanna force it to be. |
I ment to respond to this earlier, but forgot to, so...
I wasn't trying to say that the groung in the controller was earth ground. I was trying to tell moon that running a wire (for instance) from a metal part of the dance pad to an electrical outlet screw in order to ground into the earth might be helpful if static electricity is a huge worry. I personally wouldn't bother. As you've said, I'd just use a Sony controller, and not worry about it. I'm sorry if I wasn't too clear before. By the way - I used the info that you had on your web site for soldering the official Playstation controller, and it was very useful, thank you!
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morgan_rhys
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| 2157. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| SILLY GOOSE wrote: | | tolookah wrote: |
quick answer, its a reference point, when the hot side of a button touches it, it is considered pressed.
Long answer: the button is wired as follows, +Vcc (usually 5 volts) then a 220k resistor (or higher). its after the resistor where the chip on the controller is connected to. while not pressed (open circuit), the voltage at that point is Vcc, because there is no current through the resistor, causing no voltage drop. when the button is pressed (short to ground) the voltage is forced to 0V, because that is directly in contact with ground. the chip just reads the reference voltage, and decides if the button is pressed based on that. the ground provides a place for current to flow, and the other side of reference voltage. without it, you can not complete a circuit.
Hope one of those answers was what you were looking for. |
Thx. one more thing about ground. What do u do with it when building the dancepad. |
Could you be more specific as to what you are asking here? If you are asking what the ground(s) connects to in the dance pad see what tolookah said above and then visit the very first post of this thread, and check out some of the "how-to"s.
Really basic tho- Button=Hot+Ground
It's just that there are a bunch of different ways to make that happen.
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joshuass
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| 2158. Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Wooo. Finally got some pictures uploaded to my college web account so I am happy to share them with everyone.
The directory of my pics are here. Keep in mind that some of them are pretty big (I didnt wanna edit them because of lack of time and to show detail). I took them with my Canon Powershot G2
http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~jjstreet/ddr/
Ill try and respond to any questions about my design. |
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| 2159. Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:47 am Post subject: |
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