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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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2100. PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oryan wrote:
Hey guys im done my pad!!! Im making a video and a will host it soon, the problem is i dont have a host.. Anyone know any websites that lets you upload video? I just want a good website that i can upload videos E1.gif

Another thing, whats the best way to get dirt of my sheet metal? I know how to make the figerprints go away pretty well but not the dirt stuck on? Any ideas?


Cant wait to see the video! Dont know of hosting though... E2.gif

As far as cleaning the metal, you should just be able to use soapy water. Grab a sponge and apply elbow grease. laugh.gif As far as getting your metal back to that lustrious shine, I recommend Flitz. Good luck!
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2101. PostPosted: Sun Jul 04, 2004 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After tweaking and retweaking I have gotten my pad in better shape that it was in before. I also have some tips I think you people might be interested in.

For my arrow pads, I used 2 plates of 1/4" acrylic from home depot. At first, I had them taped together because I hadn't printed any arrows out. Once my arrows were done I found that the best way to join the two pieces of acrylic togther is as follows:
1. Drill 4 holes in both plates with a #25 bit (one in each corner about 1" diagonally inward from the tip).
2. Thread the 4 holes in the bottom plate (I used a 10-24 NC tap)
3. Redrill the 4 holes in the top plate with a slightly larger bit (#11) that will allow a 10-24 machine bolt to slide nicely (not sloppily!). The bolts I used were 10-24 1/2" flat head machine thread screws.
4. Countersink the holes in the top plate enough so that the screw head wont interfere with corner braces.

By tapping and screwing the plates together, each arrow plate is a lot stronger/stiffer and looks 10 times better (the screws are hidden by the cornerbraces).

Also, contrary to what I posted earlier, tinfoil works but only if you do not tweak too much. The tinfoil wears out around the screw . I had to wire up the screws because too many had worn out. (Check my previous post)

I am very pleased with how it turned out. Just thought I should share.
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here's a lighting idea I was thinking about using for my first metal pad, but I figured I'd run it past everyone here to share or see if it's a bad idea.

If you carve a shallow design into a clear plate of plexi or lexan, and then set a widely spaced row of bright LEDs to one side of it (the edge), the light shining through would slightly tint the uncarved areas, but show up brightly in the design. It would create a floating neon effect. I was thinking about carving the design into the lower plate of plexiglass, that way the upper plate, which would take most of the abuse, wouldn't be weakened by the design carved into it. The LEDs would be inset into notches carved into the metal plates surrounding the arrows.

So what do you guys think?

edit: something like this should allow for a thinner and more durable solution to lighting than having neon tubes under the buttons.... not to mention cheaper. The whole setup should be able to run off a couple AA batteries snapped into the bottom.
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Well, I haven't posted here before, but I hope you guys wont mind helping out a noob E1.gif

I have constructed the 5 non-arrow panels, and they look very professional, I went ahead and screwed the corner braces in (im following ddrhp's design) and they look pretty horrible, some are crooked and probably will screw the arrows up. I think Ill switch over to Riptides design, since from what i can see you dont screw the braces into the sides of the non-arrow pads in his design. Can you think of any problems if i unscrew the braces and follow riptides plan?

EDIT: in reply to someones post a ways back, i managed to get 12x24 elxan (4 pcs) for less than 40 bucks at home depot.
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zambi =>
I know what you mean about the corner bracket things in the DDRHP design...
so I found that the best way to replace these is to get 4 flat pieces of metal about 2 inches square (you can cut the edges a bit to make em look better), and then another 8 piecse that are triangle with a bend on the hypotenuse (long edge)
Use the 4 flat pieces as the middle 8 brackets, (they screw in vertically so much better =D), and the 8 bent pieces for the 8 outer brakcets... I'll upload a pic if you dont understand what i mean E1.gif
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Yea, if you could upload a pic that would be great, i dont really understand what you mean.

I also have a server that i could host anyones pics/movies on, if you want me to just send me an IM on AIM (zambiarhodester) or a PM here E1.gif
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It seems as though aligning the corner braces is a common problem when building a homepad. If you've ever seen 'The New Yankee Workshop' on PBS with Norm Abrahms you are familiar with the use of a jig. Simply put, it is a helper tool which is custom made to fit a specific purpose. You can make them with extra wood and supplies. You can see a pic of a basic jig here.

I will take some pics later to show the use of a jig to align your braces although it should be self-explanatory. Depending on how you built your pad you may or may not need some clamps for use with the jig.
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i have looked at both of these tutoirals

http://www.digitaltorque.com/mydancepad/
(this guy has weather stripping between a piece of sheet metal behind the plexiglass and little mending brackets, 2 for each side of button, on each side of the button is one bracket with voltage from controll, and the bracket beside it is the bround, and when the metal touches it in creats the signal)

and

http://www.angelfire.com/d20/ddrhomepad/

(this guy just has two pieces of sheetmetal with weatherstripping in between, one piece is ground, the other is voltage, when they touch, they make the signal)


whitch one of these methods is better?

how thick should the plexiglass be?

and what kind of weather stripping should i use?
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2108. PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:43 am    Post subject: missing items on the pad Reply with quote

i was gonna build the pad but i noticed some missing things on the pad.
1. no trick bar
2. no x or o buttons
3. no start/select buttons
4. no led's like the arcrade ne thing would be nice
plz help me! i would love to have one with all of the accecories! E1.gif
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2109. PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:19 pm    Post subject: Re: missing items on the pad Reply with quote

killthefifi wrote:
i was gonna build the pad but i noticed some missing things on the pad.
1. no trick bar
2. no x or o buttons
3. no start/select buttons
4. no led's like the arcrade ne thing would be nice
plz help me! i would love to have one with all of the accecories! E1.gif



There are solutions to all of your points:

1. The reason that most of the home built pads don't have the bar is that they are going to be used in people's living/ family rooms. and the bars would be in the way.

2. & 3. The x and O buttons (and Start and Select) are every bit as easy to add as the arrow buttons, it would just require you to replace some of the metal "platform" parts with more buttons, and do a bit more soldering.

4. Lighting has been done by quite a few people, so finding some how-to's shouldn't be too hard (start by looking at the first post in this thread.)

Here's one with lights to look at.http://www.geocities.com/xerox_ddr/
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Jopo wrote:
i have looked at both of these tutoirals

http://www.digitaltorque.com/mydancepad/
(this guy has weather stripping between a piece of sheet metal behind the plexiglass and little mending brackets, 2 for each side of button, on each side of the button is one bracket with voltage from controll, and the bracket beside it is the bround, and when the metal touches it in creats the signal)

and

http://www.angelfire.com/d20/ddrhomepad/

(this guy just has two pieces of sheetmetal with weatherstripping in between, one piece is ground, the other is voltage, when they touch, they make the signal)


whitch one of these methods is better?

how thick should the plexiglass be?

and what kind of weather stripping should i use?



From what I can tell many people have had luck with both methods. To confuse you even more I would suggest another method that worked well for me. Go to http://www.mydancepad.com/ and click on My Dance Pad Lite. It will show you a slide show. One of the pictures shows how he ran steel mesh (what my daughter calls rabbit fencing) in an interlocking "fingers" pattern. This is basically how I did mine, and it seems to be working quite well.

On the plexiglass there are also a few different approches. I use 1/8" Duraplast (Lexan, Polycarbonate - -same things) then the graphic, and then an 1/8" piece of hardboard with the metal sheet for the contacts on the bottom, and that works well so far (caveat: my dance pad is only 2 weeks old, and it is my first, but it has already taken quite a beating and works great!)

For the weather stripping make sure you use open cell foam. The vinal stuff compresses and stays that way for a while. The open cell stuff springs right back up. As far as the thickness goes it will vary due to your tastes. I am using 3/4" wide 1/2" thick stripping stacked up to 1" and it seems to be about right for my pad (long strips along the sides and 1 1/2" strips comming in from the corners)

Hope that helped some.
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Ok, to round out my trio of posts...

How far do your arrow buttons depress?

Mine go down about 3/8" of an inch at present, and I am wondering if that is about average or if I should try to lessen this. This is my first pad, AND I am new to the DDR world (played for the first time about 3 weeks ago, and got hooked! E1.gif ) so I don't have a whole lot of reference.
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My arrow panels depress less than 1/8" before the button fires. If yours don't bother you then there is no need to change it but the less pressure you have to use is probably better.
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thx morgan_rhys for the anwsers and.............

a couple of more questions..
1. how does the wetherstripping and foam core work pushin g the pad back up
2.where do the wires go?
3. is there ne way i could earn all of the money? E4.gif
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killthefifi wrote:
thx morgan_rhys for the anwsers and.............

a couple of more questions..
1. how does the wetherstripping and foam core work pushin g the pad back up
2.where do the wires go?
3. is there ne way i could earn all of the money? E4.gif


1. The weatherstripping quite simply acts as a spring. Open celled foam does not like to be compressed - so it "bounces" back when you depress it, and then let off.

2. The wires are routed in different ways depending on the design that you use.

3. Can't help you there, but I should have my second one done this weekend (if Home Depot gets the darn corner braces back in this week) and both of my pads together only cost around $100 - $125 total. Not bad when you compare it to the cost of commercially available metal pads. And I never have to experience the horror of a soft pad for myself!
That's one of my favorite things about them. E1.gif
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morgan_rhys wrote:
both of my pads together only cost around $100 - $125 total.

Is this price you listed for one or two pads. Just curious because with corner braces for one pad you've already spent around $28 which would leave $22-34 for the remaining materials. Did you mean $100-125 for one pad? Did you already have some materials?
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Didjivibes wrote:
morgan_rhys wrote:
both of my pads together only cost around $100 - $125 total.

Is this price you listed for one or two pads. Just curious because with corner braces for one pad you've already spent around $28 which would leave $22-34 for the remaining materials. Did you mean $100-125 for one pad? Did you already have some materials?


That was for both pads. and yes, I did already have some of the materials.Here's a quick break down of my spending, we'll see what it worked out to.

Stanley Corner Braces: 16 pkgs of 2 ea. $54
(4) 1/8" (approx) 1' x 2' Duraplex $30
(3) 2x3 sheets 30 gauge galvanized steel $23
1-1/4" Phillips Modded Truss Lath Self Drill Screws: 1 box $6.50
1-1/4" Drywall Screws: 1 box $3.50
Arrow Graphic Printing $20
Weather stripping: $5

Total $142 or $71 each - I had forgotten to factor in the screws and the printing, and the weather stripping before

I already had the following so prices are estimated:
(1) sheet of 4x8 3/4" thick plywood $20 ( for thebase and for under metal "platforms")
(2) playstation controllers (official) - used, from Gamestop $10
(4) Pine 1"x2"x6' (actually 3/4" x 1-1/2" x 6') $12 (for surrounding frame)
Assorted wire, solder, duct and electrical tape,tools etc... $?

So, if you added those in it would probable come out to around $175 for both of them total, or $87.50 each. A bit more than I had thought, but still way cheaper than buying them.

I did also buy an EMS USB2 playstation to USB adapter,($19 with shipping from .http://www.jandaman.com/games.mvc?p=ps2emsusb2&Category_code=PS2) because I have my pad (soon to be pads) hooked to my HTPC in my living room which is running Stepmania.
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Thanks for answering with such a detailed breakdown of your cost. I was wondering because I like to know if I can possibly get materials for cheaper. Do you have pics of your pad on the web?
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Didjivibes wrote:
Thanks for answering with such a detailed breakdown of your cost. I was wondering because I like to know if I can possibly get materials for cheaper. Do you have pics of your pad on the web?


Not at present. I'll take a couple of pics, and find somewhere to put them up in a day or two. I'll also take some picture of the assembly of pad number two when I get around to it if you are interested.
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thx and what design did you use for your pad?
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