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Anima
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1.  Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: How about a restriction on stickie threads... |
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| Anima wrote: | | Is it feasible and fair to say that basic members shouldn't be able to post in stickies but only read them until they gain trick status? |
It's feasible, but VERY unfair. One person should ruin it for the rest?
| Anima wrote: | I mean just exactly what limitations are in place on people who might join and post once to never return?  |
...none.
We have tons of users who register and don't post anything, for one reason or another. And we won't remove these members because they might use it for machine locations and not care about posting.
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Larrikin
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| 2. Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I liked the idea of beginner members, in which the user can't post new TOPICS until some certain number of post and days, then they become light and proceed as usual. What happened to that idea.
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Anima
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Spike
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| 4. Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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And since when do you have to join to view machine locations? I don't think that's correct...is it? |
To submit/edit them.
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I think it would weed out a lot more people who haven't yet learned just how many times to click a submit button or those who would randomly interject into conversations to never be heard from again. |
1) Clicking the submit button too many times (like,say, 4) and then having too many posts (like, say, 4) is a pretty good way of learning what not to do. So keeping them from doing that will just make it so they make the mistake later on in their membership here. If new people come and don't know about the mistake, and don't make the mistake (because they aren't allowed to post) then how would they learn about it? They wouldn't, and in the end they'd make it anyways, just later.
2) Who cares if someone says something and never shows up again? Unless they're asking for help on something and never show back up (but how do we know if they read any answer or not?) then does it really matter? If they make a point and then leave...great. Who cares?
But don't get me wrong, I think that a Beginner Membership could be good where you can't make new topics right away, or something along those lines. But completely restricting you from posting is not something I want to do.
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Anima
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| 5. Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Spike wrote: |
1) Clicking the submit button too many times (like,say, 4) and then having too many posts (like, say, 4) is a pretty good way of learning what not to do. So keeping them from doing that will just make it so they make the mistake later on in their membership here. If new people come and don't know about the mistake, and don't make the mistake (because they aren't allowed to post) then how would they learn about it? They wouldn't, and in the end they'd make it anyways, just later.
2) Who cares if someone says something and never shows up again? Unless they're asking for help on something and never show back up (but how do we know if they read any answer or not?) then does it really matter? If they make a point and then leave...great. Who cares?
But don't get me wrong, I think that a Beginner Membership could be good where you can't make new topics right away, or something along those lines. But completely restricting you from posting is not something I want to do. |
Let me clarify what i mean. I'm talking about imposing restrictions on the Stickies where the hot discussions take place. I think being able to make posts is essential to learning how to do it correctly and not hitting submit like 4 times, like you said. I just wonder what the effects of a graduated membership would allow and entail, right? Would it be so bad if there was like a 10 post minimum outside of stickies to sorta warm up to the forums? You say that no one cares if someone makes these beginner mistakes but it really is something to think about. I propose it as sort of a way to remove some worry of having to sift through possible messes later on. 
As for people posting and then disappearing: Well, you are right. If they say something meaningful or ask a question and never acknowledge that they received the help they wanted...it is pointless to try to stop that. People will use this for a purpose in some instances and nothing more which is regrettable i suppose.
So, if it is still not feasible or appropriate to moderate Basic members from posting to the Stickies then I'd like to second a "Beginner Membership - new topic restriction enabled" or something similar.
Clearly there is a bit of a situation, right? I'm not sure I have the best answer though; i've never been a forum admin. But, I thought something just didn't feel right and I wanted to bring it up to the people who do have a better idea of the situation and the best way to remedy it. And, I'm glad you are all willing to discuss it and with me and not just brush me off. 
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Larrikin
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| 6. Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Also having the beginner mode membership, would effectively kill people being banned and then flooding the board with bad topics. Not many people care 2 weeks later they were banned.
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Cutriss
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| 7. Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Let me just add that doing a(nother) pre-post validation check would be rather DB-intensive, and you can expect the response time on the boards to go back to six months ago.
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J Dogg
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| 8. Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | Let me just add that doing a(nother) pre-post validation check would be rather DB-intensive, and you can expect the response time on the boards to go back to six months ago. |
Actually, I'm not sure that would be the case. I don't think this check would require another query. We already know whether the opration is posting a new topic or reply, and I believe we already know what kind of member the user is. I haven't checked for sure, though.
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Anima
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VxJasonxV
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| 10. Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Anima wrote: | | So, will you guys/gals vote on it soon? |
It takes more than voting to put it into action.
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Cutriss
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| 12. Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | | Let me just add that doing a(nother) pre-post validation check would be rather DB-intensive, and you can expect the response time on the boards to go back to six months ago. |
Actually, I'm not sure that would be the case. I don't think this check would require another query. We already know whether the opration is posting a new topic or reply, and I believe we already know what kind of member the user is. I haven't checked for sure, though. |
Yeah, but do you know if the thread is a Sticky or not? That's what I was getting at.
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| 13. Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | Let me just add that doing a(nother) pre-post validation check would be rather DB-intensive, and you can expect the response time on the boards to go back to six months ago. |
What about just adding js to disable the submit button once it's been clicked? Pretty simple, all load is client-side. Worst case, they don't have js enabled and they can submit multiple times, but most folks who go through the trouble to disable it probably aren't the ones multi-posting  . |
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J Dogg
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| 14. Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Cutriss wrote: | | Yeah, but do you know if the thread is a Sticky or not? That's what I was getting at. |
Actually, I was referring to Larrikin's idea, not Anima's. I don't know offhand about whether we know if it's a sticky or not.
However, I don't agree with either of their ideas. I don't think it's fair to force a new person to post replies just to get permission to post topics. Also, I don't think it's fair to lock a new person out of a sticky thread. Despite the number of stupid newbies that we see, there are also a good number of legit users who lurk before posting.
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dj Tifaheart
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| 15. Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | | Yeah, but do you know if the thread is a Sticky or not? That's what I was getting at. |
Actually, I was referring to Larrikin's idea, not Anima's. I don't know offhand about whether we know if it's a sticky or not.
However, I don't agree with either of their ideas. I don't think it's fair to force a new person to post replies just to get permission to post topics. Also, I don't think it's fair to lock a new person out of a sticky thread. Despite the number of stupid newbies that we see, there are also a good number of legit users who lurk before posting. |
Exactly.
Another valid point is: What if one of us looses our account somehow...like we disappear for over four months. Then we would have to get a new account and start all over as Basic members.
Would you want to be blocked from the Stickie threads? Not be able to post new topics because you have to start fresh again? That would suck.
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Anima
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| 16. Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | Cutriss wrote: | | Yeah, but do you know if the thread is a Sticky or not? That's what I was getting at. |
Actually, I was referring to Larrikin's idea, not Anima's. I don't know offhand about whether we know if it's a sticky or not.
However, I don't agree with either of their ideas. I don't think it's fair to force a new person to post replies just to get permission to post topics. Also, I don't think it's fair to lock a new person out of a sticky thread. Despite the number of stupid newbies that we see, there are also a good number of legit users who lurk before posting. |
I'm saying give the new members read access but disallow write access to the Stickies which are the main conversation topics. As for new users who lurk before posting, allow them to lurk all they want but make it clear what must be done in order to advance status. Right now it's based on making posts in order to get to Trick level.
Actually I found the perfect solution to what my problem was: the multiple postings at once. It's called "topic flood control". It stops users, exclusing admins and mods, from posting more than once within a given time frame. I'm not sure if it is installed or not but if it were then I doubt the multiple submissions would have been allowed.
The link is here
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J Dogg
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| 17. Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Anima wrote: | I'm saying give the new members read access but disallow write access to the Stickies which are the main conversation topics. As for new users who lurk before posting, allow them to lurk all they want but make it clear what must be done in order to advance status. Right now it's based on making posts in order to get to Trick level.
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And I'm saying it's unfair to lock them out of stickies. And it's not productive to make a lurker make pointless posts in order to gain posting privileges later. I'd rather them start off by posting what they want instead of doing pre-emptive posting. Also, trick level isn't just based on # of posts. In addition, we already restrict the users from posting for the first few hours after joining.
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Actually I found the perfect solution to what my problem was: the multiple postings at once. It's called "topic flood control". It stops users, exclusing admins and mods, from posting more than once within a given time frame. I'm not sure if it is installed or not but if it were then I doubt the multiple submissions would have been allowed.
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We do this already... try posting multiple times in a minute.
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Cutriss
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| 18. Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | Anima wrote: | Actually I found the perfect solution to what my problem was: the multiple postings at once. It's called "topic flood control". It stops users, exclusing admins and mods, from posting more than once within a given time frame. I'm not sure if it is installed or not but if it were then I doubt the multiple submissions would have been allowed.
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We do this already... try posting multiple times in a minute. |
The problem that got her worked up in the first place was someone accidentally quadruple-posting. I agree, the dupe-posting is a bit of a hassle, but it's more of a hassle for mods/admins than it is for the users (since the users just have to scroll past it - we have to delete it).
PDub has a good idea, I think. Putting a JavaScript container around the submit buttons (both of them) wouldn't be a bad idea.
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PDub
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| 19. Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| J Dogg wrote: | | In addition, we already restrict the users from posting for the first few hours after joining. |
Sort of a sidebar, it would have been nice to know this when registering. I was a lurker for awhile, and saw a topic that I could actually help with. So, I decided to register, and went to post a reply and got the nice 'You are unable to post' prompt letting me know I had to wait a few hours.
Although minor, and I understand the reasons, it was frustrating and discouraging enough to consider not even bothering to post at all. It might be at least less frustrating if there was some obvious prompt somewhere that said "After registration, you will be unable to post for 3 hours" or something equivalent.
Just my two pennies...
| Cutriss (I can't spell) wrote: | | PDub has a good idea, I think. Putting a JavaScript container around the submit buttons (both of them) wouldn't be a bad idea. |
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Just stop them at the source, the forum main page area. So, will you guys/gals vote on it soon? 
