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0. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:35 am    Post subject: Help on Ideas on how to evaluate a DDR Tournament Reply with quote

Hey guys, first post here on this forums

Here in my hometown, the main DDR players hangout is planning a tournament, and im kinda involved in the planning

now my question is the following, how can I evaluate the participants, I wanted it to be freestyle, but only a few 3 persons do some freestyle, so, what would be the obvious way to do it?

by score?

any ideas are apreciated, thanx
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1. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Help on Ideas on how to evaluate a DDR Tournament Reply with quote

Black_Rose wrote:
what would be the obvious way to do it?

by score?

any ideas are apreciated, thanx


No, you'd want to do it by # of perfects. The only argument would be whether to make it 2 out of 3, or cumulative over 3 rounds.
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2. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: Help on Ideas on how to evaluate a DDR Tournament Reply with quote

Slowpoke wrote:
Black_Rose wrote:
what would be the obvious way to do it?

by score?

any ideas are apreciated, thanx


No, you'd want to do it by # of perfects. The only argument would be whether to make it 2 out of 3, or cumulative over 3 rounds.


ok, this gives me the following Idea

Perfect: 2 points
Great: 1 point
Good: 0 points
Almost: -1 point
Boo: -2 points


thats an idea biggrin.gif
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3. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to use the dance point system :
Perfect = 2
Great = 1
Good = 0
Boo = -4
Miss = -8
OK = 6
NG = 0

This way you won't have a player scoring better with a A than someone who AAed the same song riiight.gif

And yeah, you can't use freestyle because most players are scorers, but if there are enough freestylers maybe you could run 2 different tournaments for score and freestyle, that's what we do around here (and there's often more people in the freestyle tournament than in the score one o_O)
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4. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Help on Ideas on how to evaluate a DDR Tournament Reply with quote

Black_Rose wrote:
Hey guys, first post here on this forums

Here in my hometown, the main DDR players hangout is planning a tournament, and im kinda involved in the planning

now my question is the following, how can I evaluate the participants, I wanted it to be freestyle, but only a few 3 persons do some freestyle, so, what would be the obvious way to do it?

by score?

any ideas are apreciated, thanx


Wait, you mention freestyle, but you put up a dance points system that's used for tech competitions, so I guess you want a stepping tournament.

That being said, if you have a stepping tournament, stay away from machine score. It is a poor indicator of who did better (someone who gets 497 perfects on So Deep could lose to someone who has 496 perfects). Noting that you said "almost" and "boo," I'm guessing the mix you have or will be using is something of a US version.

There are a few point systems you can use for a stepping tournament.

The standard dance points system, which the machine uses to determine AAs and A's and stuff...
2/1/0/-4/-8/6

A lesser version that doesn't penalize as harsh.
2/1/0/-2/-4/2

Oni scoring
2/1/0/0/0/0

Reverse scoring (least points wins)
0/1/2/3/4/0

And as Bluescreenjunky said, freestylers don't pay attention to perfects and such. Some Southwest tournies have used the machine grading system to award/penalize points, something I'm totally against. With freestyle, the only things the players should worry about is passing the song and impressing the judges.

Check out the tournament thread for more info and to see how others are/have run their tournaments.
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5. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to go with freestyle, basically you're going to have to have judges, and it's going to be a subjective judging system because there is no built in feature to see how well players can actually dance.

If you are going to do a PA (accuracy) tournament, you should use some kind of system based on step types. *NEVER* use score, because it is a bit less indicative of actual performance (since the end of a song is worth more in score than the beginning). I would say either go with the dance point system, or else use the 10K Commotion system (2 points for each perfect, 1 point for each great and OK, no negative points). I think the latter is better because it puts less weight on OKs, which I really think should be worth less than perfect, and it just makes life simpler since there are no negatives.
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6. PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wrote a guide about this entire thing on my site. Link is in my sig.
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7. PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like blues idea, it seems it should work out for the best. But having a good score doesn't necesarily mean they are better than someone else. You should try to score based on routine as well. Not sure how you would do that, be creative!
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