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quantrum
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1240.  Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Would it be possible if someone could list all pros/cons of all current metal pads, and a relative rating to one another. I'm interested in buying some pads, but I don't quite trust 1 year old comparisions. Any help is appreciated. |
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HitokiriX
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| 1241. Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| quantrum wrote: | | Would it be possible if someone could list all pros/cons of all current metal pads, and a relative rating to one another. I'm interested in buying some pads, but I don't quite trust 1 year old comparisions. Any help is appreciated. |
i would say almost everythin on the first page applies to the current pads except that there are some "new" metal pads out.
first of all, there is are sellers on ebay that sell either clones of metal pad brands or actual pads from companies. i would say the most reliable is judysdeals, second being discount-seller.
judysdeals sells cyphergames pads. i am pretty sure they are modified in a confusing way though. they take like cyphergames pads and add metal rimming to extend the metal pad (this means that there is like a one inch metal strip extending from the arrows). however i'm not sure if they actually are modified cyphergames pads. i do have a judysdeals pad though and it has a cyphergames control box.
as said before, all pros and cons on the first page are still valid for each brand, except BNS pads now have poly-carbonate arrows.
for the ratings..........i would say on a scale of 1-10:
Cobalt Flux-9 (they do die out sometime and nothin can be perfect plus the price is way to high)
Red Octane-7 (they are good but not amazing like cobalt flux plus you have to maintain it sometimes and it has the foil on copper contacts)
MyMyBox-uhhh......5-6??? i don't know much about this brand cuz no one seems to talk about them in the forums so i can't say an accurate rating
Buynshop-5 or 6 (they aren't that bad but can die out sometimes, a lot more often than red octane and cobalt flux's at least....)
Cyphergames-4 (they have crappy hard acrylic arrows which crack and poopy easily. this is easy to mod but takes extra money and time to do. also you could mess up ur pad and don't get a refund cuz u opened it up. also, it dies out sometimes like buynshop's)
Judysdeals pad (ebay)-5 or 6 (like a mixture of buynshop and cyphergames pads. comes with a cyphergames control box but buynshop pad design(has metal rim around edge of pad for bigger size). the select and start arrows are green like cyphergames's though...)
Discount-seller pad (ebay)-uhhhh.......4 or 5????? i don't know about these pads either sorry....a lot of people have been sayin that the dealer used to sell clones of BNS pads, but then started sellin crap versions. i would go with judysdeals if u wanted to get a pad off of ebay
If i could get a pad i would either get a red octane or judysdeals depending on how risk takin u are. if u are extremely rich and never want to spend time moding or doin anythin to ur pad get a cobalt flux. they can stand an SUV runnin over it!! (seriously i've seen people try it) but if ur not a rich person and only have around 200, get a red octane. they are very reliable and will refund help in any way while the warranty is in. plus you don't hafta mod much at all except the foil contacts.....that isn't that hard.  and lastly, if you are extremely poor (or don't want to spend much at all and get an average pad) get a judysdeals pad. i think they are better than buynshop's pad because of price, and cyphergames because of specs. you WILL have to mod the foil contacts though, and some people have reported judysdeals pads coming to them DOA. however, they have a like 2 week warranty on them so you can return it for a new one. you CANNOT get your money back however, you can only get a new on shipped to you free of charge. they also pay for your return shipping costs of the DOA pad. 
basically it. i've probably missed some info, so anyone who reads this and finds somethin wrong or finds somethin missin plz add it. hopefully someone will make an actual revisation of the first page pros and cons post soon
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vsamaco
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| 1242. Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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There old review doesn't differ alot with current metal pads. 1 being the best pad.
1. Cobalt Flux - $300
pro:
-best in quality and relibility overall
-requires lil to no maintenance
-withstands 600pds or suv
-6 month warranty
con:
-price
-flat surface, no border around arrows
-several weeks to prepare and deliver
2. RedOctane - $199
pro:
-not as durable as cobalt flux, support 300pds
-polycarbon arrows + metal frame
-xbox and ps2 plugs
-better customer support than other vendors of other pads below
-60day warranty
con:
-requires modding
3. BuyNShop - $149
pro:
-same features as RedOctane, w/o xbox plugs
-polycarbon arrows + metal frame
-30 day warranty
con:
-requires modding
-recently been ship with other parts of other brands that may be of less quality (ie control box, arrows, or even the whole pad itself)
-customer service
4. Ebay : judydeals - $99 / ngult - $129
pro:
-price
-same features as BuyNshop (supposely)
con:
-risk of auctions
-requires modding
-limited/no warranty
-may have minor scratches or dents
5. Mymybox - $199 / 3rd party(Cyphergames) - $150
pro:
-more reliable than 3rd party makes with same features
con:
-requires modding
-price
-arrows are acrylic
-peg bottom? (previosly, not sure about current)
6. TX-1000 - $99 ebay - discountauction / $129 keepgaming
pro:
-easier maintenance due to 4 screw build
con:
-requires modding
-arrows are acrylic
*this is type of pad shipped as of April 2004 by discountauction seller
7. Ebay(NEO) - neogames - $98 / mdgamesource - $97
pro:
-price
-metal frame
con:
-risk of auctions
-requires modding
-arrows are acrylic
-may have dents/scratches
-limited/no warranty
8. Liksang - $89 & playasia - $99?
pro:
-price
con:
-requires modding
-shipping
-arrows are acrylic
btw 5 - 8. Metal Pads with Bar: ebay - $139 / ebay#2 - $150 / tx-2000 - $199
pro:
-a bar!
con:
******bar cannot support much weight like arcade******
-requires modding
-price
-these vendors arrows are acrylic
-limited/no warranty
Overall, cobalt flux is the best pad in quality and is well worth it if you have the money. Unlike the other pads, cf do not have to be modded before use in order to increase its life (sheet metal mod).If you don't enough money, RedOctane is the next best thing. BuyNshop is next, given that they ship the correct parts and not replacements. If you are willing to a risk and save more money, try ebay(judydeals/ngult), its features and build are very similar to BNS/RO (polycarbon and metal frame), but may have minor defects. The pads with acrylic arrows tend to crack/break more easily compared to polycarbons in the long run.
Metal pads with bars just do not heavy enough to support much weight. The extra $50+ for a bar does not seem worth the money.
Other than CF, any type of pad, given that it had no problems at the beginning can be preserved with standard maintenance. Better materials(polycarbon) and build(metal frame,circuitry) decreases the demand of maintenance required for a pad. So if your lazy, just not good with tools, or don't want to be repairing it after each song (yea sarcasm how about 'alot'), you may want to steer away from cheaper, "lower" quality pads.
If you find any incorrect information or wish to add, please feel free to reply (yet don't comment the whole post, it would be too long).
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HitokiriX
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| 1243. Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| i personally don't think the cobalt flux is worth the money. of course for me DDR is jus a really good hobby. not like my life for some other people. its only an opinion so don't doggy about it. my reasons are mainly because it costs way too much. 300 dollars plus like 40 dollars shipping??? why not just get a red octane instead for 100 dollars less? there isn't much difference except the foil contacts which you can mod easily. if the responsiveness of pads are almost always good. even if CF's pads are amazing, its not worth 100 dollars difference. the last is its SUV statement. no idiot will run over a 300 dollar DDR pad with anythin mildly near an SUV's weight unless they purposely did it. i know the statement is supposed to show that its indestructible or near that, but who needs an indestructible pad anyway? an besides. it doesn't matter how resistant it is, all you hafta do it "accidentally" pour liquid on it and it will malfunction. of course i haven't tried this but i'm sure some problems will arise. and besides, if you did run over a pad with an SUV, even though the pad might work, you will hafta do some major fixing to get it back to it normal state. |
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vsamaco
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| 1244. Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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If you want a pad that will last you for a very long time w/ minimal to no maintanence and have money, go with CF.
If you don't have the money, expect to do frequent check ups for maintenance to preserve the life of cheaper metal pads.
If you don't have money, and you don't mod/maintain the pad and have to replace it with another pad in which you do the same, a CF will actually be a better buy in the long run.
Given that you don't do stupid things with your pad, you can choose to get the "no hassle" CF, or "expect to fix me" cheaper pads. |
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| 1245. Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| HitokiriX wrote: | | i personally don't think the cobalt flux is worth the money. of course for me DDR is jus a really good hobby. not like my life for some other people. its only an opinion so don't doggy about it. my reasons are mainly because it costs way too much. 300 dollars plus like 40 dollars shipping??? why not just get a red octane instead for 100 dollars less? there isn't much difference except the foil contacts which you can mod easily. if the responsiveness of pads are almost always good. even if CF's pads are amazing, its not worth 100 dollars difference. the last is its SUV statement. no idiot will run over a 300 dollar DDR pad with anythin mildly near an SUV's weight unless they purposely did it. i know the statement is supposed to show that its indestructible or near that, but who needs an indestructible pad anyway? an besides. it doesn't matter how resistant it is, all you hafta do it "accidentally" pour liquid on it and it will malfunction. of course i haven't tried this but i'm sure some problems will arise. and besides, if you did run over a pad with an SUV, even though the pad might work, you will hafta do some major fixing to get it back to it normal state. |
ur just jealous 
if u actually read through 60 some pages of this thread u'll see many people with ro problems, surface cracking, wires screwed up, unresponsiveness, etc. within months, weeks, or even days. SUV statement shows that even people who weigh 300 pounds and play ddr (yes there are such people) who pound on these pads will not do anything to it. no one is stupid enough to "accidentally" pour liquid on it. what do u expect, a wet suit?
i bet u dont have a cf. no one who actually owns the pad has anything bad to say about it. |
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HitokiriX
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| 1246. Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| hello wrote: | | HitokiriX wrote: | | i personally don't think the cobalt flux is worth the money. of course for me DDR is jus a really good hobby. not like my life for some other people. its only an opinion so don't doggy about it. my reasons are mainly because it costs way too much. 300 dollars plus like 40 dollars shipping??? why not just get a red octane instead for 100 dollars less? there isn't much difference except the foil contacts which you can mod easily. if the responsiveness of pads are almost always good. even if CF's pads are amazing, its not worth 100 dollars difference. the last is its SUV statement. no idiot will run over a 300 dollar DDR pad with anythin mildly near an SUV's weight unless they purposely did it. i know the statement is supposed to show that its indestructible or near that, but who needs an indestructible pad anyway? an besides. it doesn't matter how resistant it is, all you hafta do it "accidentally" pour liquid on it and it will malfunction. of course i haven't tried this but i'm sure some problems will arise. and besides, if you did run over a pad with an SUV, even though the pad might work, you will hafta do some major fixing to get it back to it normal state. |
ur just jealous
if u actually read through 60 some pages of this thread u'll see many people with ro problems, surface cracking, wires screwed up, unresponsiveness, etc. within months, weeks, or even days. SUV statement shows that even people who weigh 300 pounds and play ddr (yes there are such people) who pound on these pads will not do anything to it. no one is stupid enough to "accidentally" pour liquid on it. what do u expect, a wet suit?
i bet u dont have a cf. no one who actually owns the pad has anything bad to say about it. |
first of all, i'm not jealous. i wouldn't pay for a CF even if i did have the money. its just not worth it on my part. now for DDR players who play the game constantly and can do virtually every single song on every single level, it would be wise to get a CF. might as well get the best if you are the best right?
secondly, although RO does have some problems, it is still the second best pad. all polycarbonate arrows will crack eventually. i never said they didn't. as for everythin else, the warranty will last you long enough to return your pad or get some assistance on it.
when i talked about the liquid thing, it was jus saying that there are a lot more ways to kill a DDR pad other than jus literally crushing it. i can think of 3 right now, but i know there are many others.
1. fry the circuitry
2. liquid (won't happen often but accidents do happen)
3. wires damaged
for the heavy weight DDR players out there, if you are over 300 lbs., plz think about losing some weight before going to higher levels of the game or faster songs. not jus for the pads sake, but for your own. its not that hard to lose your balance on pads while playing, especially on fast songs. and even easier if you are heavy (like my parents who seem to love the game but have hurt themselves a lot doin it)
lastly, your right. i don't have a CF pad. but i also don't want one. if i had that kind of money, i would save it up for somethin else. buy a cheaper pad like RO or the one i have, judysdeals one. mod it, and use the extra 100-200 bucks for paintball supplies or some other hobby i have. plus, if anyone did say somethin bad about CF, like the arrows broke or the circuitry was crappy, it would show that they did somethin really stupid to it. and no one want to show ppl how stupid they are right??? |
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| 1247. Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| i think a CF is worth it. 300 dollars for a good DDR metal pad plus a 6 month warranty i think thats good. Heh, i was reading the CF forums and someone spilled water on the pad. they fixed it by just flipping the pad over and it was better. |
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HitokiriX
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| 1248. Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| heyman882001 wrote: | | i think a CF is worth it. 300 dollars for a good DDR metal pad plus a 6 month warranty i think thats good. Heh, i was reading the CF forums and someone spilled water on the pad. they fixed it by just flipping the pad over and it was better. |
it is good....if u have the cash.....and the ability to use it well. |
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Animus
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| 1249. Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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can u guys help me.
i need a x-box metal pad that is around $125 or something like it |
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| 1250. Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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i believe that cf is well worth the 300 bucks. yes its not for everyone, people who dont play as much or newbs or whatever, 300 dollars does seem like a waste. but then again, if ur not serious about playing ddr, why get a metal pad at all?
i have seen lots of people (understatement) who has about 200 bucks and want a metal pad, but IMO its better to just save up 300 bucks. ur choice, i think cf is worth it. |
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| 1252. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| hmm...this post would more relate to the posts on the first page... about the cobalt flux. but I was wondering, are there any stores in montreal that sell cobalt flux? If i had to order it, it would come to roughly 500 canadian Dollars.... which is a bit much money wise. So, are there any stores in montreal that sell cobalt flux? |
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vsamaco
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| 1253. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| sugarbyte wrote: | | hmm...this post would more relate to the posts on the first page... about the cobalt flux. but I was wondering, are there any stores in montreal that sell cobalt flux? If i had to order it, it would come to roughly 500 canadian Dollars.... which is a bit much money wise. So, are there any stores in montreal that sell cobalt flux? |
There aren't any stores in US you can goto to buy one either... so its unlikely there would be any stores in Canada that would. |
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Sinistar
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| 1254. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:24 am Post subject: |
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As a Flux owner, I'd like to address a couple statements in the past page or so of posts.
| HitokiriX wrote: | | Cobalt Flux-9 (they do die out sometime and nothin can be perfect plus the price is way to high) |
The control boxes have been known to flake out on some people, but I have not yet heard of the entire pad itself failing. For those electronically inclined, making a new control box is fairly easy. For those who are not, a new one can be purchased if the failure occurs after the 6 month warranty has expired.
| vsamaco wrote: | | several weeks to prepare and deliver |
Recently, they've reduced this to approximately 3 days, though they still quote 2-3 weeks on their site. I don't know if their build and ship time will stay that short, but for right now, people are very happy with the turnaround time.
| HitokiriX wrote: | | it doesn't matter how resistant it is, all you hafta do it "accidentally" pour liquid on it and it will malfunction. of course i haven't tried this but i'm sure some problems will arise. and besides, if you did run over a pad with an SUV, even though the pad might work, you will hafta do some major fixing to get it back to it normal state. |
Actually, somebody did run over it with an SUV. And a truck. And a car. And a moped. They then took the pad right indoors and played on it, no problems. And if you spill water on your CF, you just dry it out. Problem solved. (I'm basing this on the experience of somebody in the CF forums, who had that very problem happen.)
Yes, the CF is very expensive. But every time I use it, it works flawlessly. I normally play ~45 minutes a day and am just now transitioning into Heavy tracks, but I've used it for hours at a time without it missing a step. I've also taken it to LAN parties and group functions where upwards of 60 people have played on it - and yet it still works as well as the day I got it.
So, yeah, $350 for a pad is a bit much. But I'll never have to buy another pad again, and I never have to worry about the one I have. It was worth the price to have something this solid and consistent under my feet.
I will concede, however, that the major downside is doubles play. If I ever decide to get into that, I'll be looking at another $350 purchase for a second CF. Looking at it from that perspective, $400 (including S&H) for a pair of RO metal pads vs. $700 (again, with S&H) for the CFs? That's a much bigger difference.
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| 1255. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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ty but wit that S&H ($60) its turns out $195
kinda not in my price rangeany more |
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vsamaco
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| 1256. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Animus wrote: | ty but wit that S&H ($60) its turns out $195
kinda not in my price rangeany more |
Even the cheapest and decent quality ps2 metal pad $90-100 and standard shipping $40-50 will be over $125 ($140-150). Try saving a few more bucks and get a ps2 pad and a ps2/xbox convertor ($20). |
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| 1257. Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I just seen the vids on Cobalt Flux website and the pad is absolutely worthy the money and the several weeks wait. I am definately saving up for this. |
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| 1258. Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| DDR2k3 wrote: | | I just seen the vids on Cobalt Flux website and the pad is absolutely worthy the money and the several weeks wait. I am definately saving up for this. |
How much is it????
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