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60. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes during a song i might grab hold or if i am holding on i will let go so i can move faster but then i start to lose balance and i go back to using the bar.
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61. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello wrote:
so...if i use the controller and get the same score, we're still equal?

if u got the same score as me and u used the bar, u will get a lower score than me if u didnt.


Sorry bud, I think you misunderstood what he was saying a little bit. Assuming you both danced, one with and one without the bar, and you both got the same score, you wouldn't be equal? At least that is what you are saying. Think about it, you both danced on your feet. Both read the arrows at the same time. Both had to dance as fast. The only difference is one of you was smart and used the bar. If the other guy who didn't think's he hot sh!t, why didn't he use the bar and get a better score? All you people who don't use the bar need to get over yourselves. You ain't that damn hot.*

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I think it does matter. It means that one person got the score on their own and the other person needed the aid of the bar in order to achieve it. Maybe it doesn't make them "better than you" but they had to do a lot more work in order to achieve the same score you did.


Its like skiing. Some use poles, some don't. You don't see anybody saying that crap you just said about DDR players to them. But I guess its just the fact that most skiiers are older than the DDR crowd. Who knows.
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62. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like pie....alot
People stop posting these bar rape threads..every month a new one comes up and people post the same exact crap

someone make this one a sticky
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63. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maesce: ... your post doesn't really make sense man. Everyone can agree that it takes more skill to AAA max300 without the bar, than AAAing it with it. The bar gives you an edge, so the skill level of the 2 players is different. Players who don't use the bar don't think they're hot... at least I don't. It's like playing any games with mods or codes or anything. Anyway, I just don't use the bar because it makes it easier. I don't say people shouldn't bar-rape, they can play how they want, but you can't compare a bar-raper with a non-bar raper.
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64. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a AAA is a AAA whether you played 1x no bar, 3x solo with the bar, or 8x shuffle stealth while freestyling and eating a piece of chicken.
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65. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Caffy (Speedy Mix) wrote:
a AAA is a AAA whether you played 1x no bar, 3x solo with the bar, or 8x shuffle stealth while freestyling and eating a piece of chicken.


no its not
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66. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello wrote:
Caffy (Speedy Mix) wrote:
a AAA is a AAA whether you played 1x no bar, 3x solo with the bar, or 8x shuffle stealth while freestyling and eating a piece of chicken.


no its not


the machine says so therefore it is
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67. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bar-rape probably about 50% of the time, most of the time I have at least one hand on the bar. I almost always use 1.5x speed mods, as well, unless the song is already fast (Across The Nightmare, etc.).

I admit, both of these make it easier to me, but if someone else comes in, uses 1x, and refuses the bar, and challenges me, and I beat them, I still beat them. They chose not to use mods or the bar, and they got a lower score, I was just smart enough to give myself an edge.

(Although I'm finding the speed mods aren't really helping me much anymore, for some reason)

Also, to everyone who says the bar makes you look stupid, NO ONE looks good playing DDR. I've never even seen a freestyler look good playing DDR, you're furiously hitting 4 panels, it's impressive to some, but it definately doesn't look good.
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68. PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2004 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rickidi wrote:
Maesce: ... your post doesn't really make sense man. Everyone can agree that it takes more skill to AAA max300 without the bar, than AAAing it with it. The bar gives you an edge, so the skill level of the 2 players is different. Players who don't use the bar don't think they're hot... at least I don't. It's like playing any games with mods or codes or anything. Anyway, I just don't use the bar because it makes it easier. I don't say people shouldn't bar-rape, they can play how they want, but you can't compare a bar-raper with a non-bar raper.


Well said, reminds me of the miss pacman 20th anniversery edition. On that version you can continue. I hate that some noob can can come in and just continue till he gets a high score compared to someone who really good and earns same high score in ONE game.

So what Rickidi makes alot sense.

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69. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try not to bar rape when i play ddr....
I do it sometimes just to keep my balance and when i have a really hard time in a song and i dont want to give up...but or the most part i try not to bar rape
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70. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I've seen maybe 3 posts saying using the bar is HARDER than not using the bar. People have even said that using the bar is easier. I don't think anyone here can truly say that using the bar is harder (unless you're like 4'0").

I bar rape only on doubles - PSM Oni, sometimes LoM and MaxX, that's about it, and I can sure as hell tell you the bar makes it WAY easier, almost an unfair advantage.

When there are instructions on how to play on the screen, I've never seen them grab and rape the bar. Weird. disgust.gif
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71. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's my justification for disliking bar users, or just using the bar in general.

Firstly, it's unnatural. When you're dancing while not playing DDR or even playing at your home I'm assuming there isn't always a metal bar propped behind you. Not using the bar keeps things more natural, letting your body flow as you play.

Second, the bar doesn't let you test your skill and physical talent. When you play DDR it's not only to have fun, but you want to test yourself and get better. When you use the bar it's not an accurate measure of how good your personal skill really is because you're receiving outside aid when playing.

Lastly, and this is a combination point, the bar doesn't give you the full experience, fun factor or benefits of DDR. Using the bar while playing isn't the way to get the full experience. If you're leaning back and holding onto a bar while dancing and only using your legs I don't feel you have as much fun as you would be if you were using your entire body and moving with the music, so you miss out on the full experience of the game. Plus, if you're trying to increase your stamina, lose weight or get in shape then some of the benefit is lost when not utilizing the upper body.

As if I have to say it, but, I haven't, don't and never intend to use the bar at any time for as long as I play DDR.
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72. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Bar Raper Reply with quote

The proper solution is to do away with the bar entirely...

But of course, that's not gonna happen. Last thing Konami needs is a lawsuit from some dumbass who falls off the pad backwards... laugh.gif
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73. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone at Jamestown doesn't make fun of me because i use the bar on 10 footers because i am 13 5'8 147 pounds i have shorter legs than alot of people at there and i need something to hold on to like Paranoia Survivor i almost beat tonight glad the bar was there because my legs was going like 100 mph lol
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74. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kevin wrote:
When there are instructions on how to play on the screen, I've never seen them grab and rape the bar. Weird. disgust.gif


When they do instruct you on the screen, it tells you to put your feet back to to the middle after every step, yet I've not seen a single competent DDR player do that, weird.

How the game instructs you to play is not a valid argument in the least bit.
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Here's my justification for disliking bar users, or just using the bar in general.
I hope you're talking about the latter, because disliking someone for how they play a GAME is kind of sad.

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Firstly, it's unnatural. When you're dancing while not playing DDR or even playing at your home I'm assuming there isn't always a metal bar propped behind you. Not using the bar keeps things more natural, letting your body flow as you play.
DDR isn't about dancing, hitting four panels isn't really dancing, the only part of your body doing the work is your feet, it's not exactly an experience that's aesthetically pleasing, either.

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Second, the bar doesn't let you test your skill and physical talent. When you play DDR it's not only to have fun, but you want to test yourself and get better. When you use the bar it's not an accurate measure of how good your personal skill really is because you're receiving outside aid when playing.
You can't tell someone else what a game is about, it could be about different things to different people (maybe some people just want to play for fun? disgust.gif ). Again, some people don't care about testing their skill with a bar, they just want to play.

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Lastly, and this is a combination point, the bar doesn't give you the full experience, fun factor or benefits of DDR. Using the bar while playing isn't the way to get the full experience. If you're leaning back and holding onto a bar while dancing and only using your legs I don't feel you have as much fun as you would be if you were using your entire body and moving with the music, so you miss out on the full experience of the game. Plus, if you're trying to increase your stamina, lose weight or get in shape then some of the benefit is lost when not utilizing the upper body.
Read the above argument I just gave.
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76. PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

putting your feet back to the middle after every step has now been dubbed "n00b style"
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Drunken Master wrote:
putting your feet back to the middle after every step has now been dubbed "n00b style"


I want to see someone play a pie (not bag or Sakura, though), and beat it doing that. I would cry of laughter.
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Irennicus wrote:
Shasta wrote:
Here's my justification for disliking bar users, or just using the bar in general.
I hope you're talking about the latter, because disliking someone for how they play a GAME is kind of sad.

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Firstly, it's unnatural. When you're dancing while not playing DDR or even playing at your home I'm assuming there isn't always a metal bar propped behind you. Not using the bar keeps things more natural, letting your body flow as you play.
DDR isn't about dancing, hitting four panels isn't really dancing, the only part of your body doing the work is your feet, it's not exactly an experience that's aesthetically pleasing, either.

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Second, the bar doesn't let you test your skill and physical talent. When you play DDR it's not only to have fun, but you want to test yourself and get better. When you use the bar it's not an accurate measure of how good your personal skill really is because you're receiving outside aid when playing.
You can't tell someone else what a game is about, it could be about different things to different people (maybe some people just want to play for fun? disgust.gif ). Again, some people don't care about testing their skill with a bar, they just want to play.

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Lastly, and this is a combination point, the bar doesn't give you the full experience, fun factor or benefits of DDR. Using the bar while playing isn't the way to get the full experience. If you're leaning back and holding onto a bar while dancing and only using your legs I don't feel you have as much fun as you would be if you were using your entire body and moving with the music, so you miss out on the full experience of the game. Plus, if you're trying to increase your stamina, lose weight or get in shape then some of the benefit is lost when not utilizing the upper body.
Read the above argument I just gave.


I definetely didn't mean hating the person as a person. I wasn't going to even type that, but I left it in hoping nobody would mistake what I meant. The fact still stands that I very much hate the bar, though.

As for the point about people using the bar because they just want to play, I understand that, and I'm not trying to define the game for everyone but then when you see everyone talking about how good they are and constantly trying to get the highest score possible and master every song, then I can't agree with people not playing to test themselves and see what they can do. I don't mean to push a meaning on people, but if you really think about it, why else would anybody even care what songs they can do and how well they can do them if they're just doing it for fun?

And, this is going to come across very asinine but, the game is called Dance Dance Revolution. So, you can't tell me that the game isn't about dancing. Now, I never said anything about dancing being compared to hitting four panels with only your legs. I think people would agree that if you're playing by being completely stationary and only moving your lower body then not only are you missing out on more fun, but you probably don't do as well as people who really move their body, stay on beat and get into the music. It's just easier and more natural, which is what my point really is in this case.
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I play mostly at home, so when I do go to arcades, I don't mess with the bar. it seems unnatural after going so long without it.
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