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Cyan Garamonde (Nosaj) Trick Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Location: Crouching before a river of poison, staring at the blood on my hands, vowing to have revenge... |
20. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Drenchfur wrote: | This sucks. If I want stuff from ebay, I'll go there myself. Like I need to buy a video game from the United Kingdom! |
That kind of sums it up for me. I hate ads period; if I want something, I'll fucking go look for it; I hate having products pushed at me, and seeing these little green links now is just plain annoying. Bad enough I have to see a banner ad at the top of every page. _________________
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J Dogg Administrator
Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA |
21. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nosaj ~F\/C|< Y0\/ 5TY13~ wrote: | Drenchfur wrote: | This sucks. If I want stuff from ebay, I'll go there myself. Like I need to buy a video game from the United Kingdom! |
That kind of sums it up for me. I hate ads period; if I want something, I'll fucking go look for it; I hate having products pushed at me, and seeing these little green links now is just plain annoying. Bad enough I have to see a banner ad at the top of every page. |
Would it help if the ad were a different color? You know hosting ain't free, right? _________________
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Bringer of Death Trick Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Location: Saving the world, one death at a time. |
22. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'd prefer you guys to just keep the banner ads. The in-post thing sounds sooooooooooo flippan' annoying. I'm happy my Opera doesn't show them.
I know that if I went onto the forums with IE, it'd feel exactly like IGN. I hated the feeling I got from IGN, having products pushed in my face, like DF said. How long's it going to be before you guys get in-between ads?
Please, ditch this word-linking stuff and stick with the banners. _________________
iperson wrote: | EBT wrote: | Hey man, what's for dinner tonight? | You have asked for infinity and you don't deserve it. |
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slkmmm Trick Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2002 Location: Ripon, ca |
23. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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Why are so many people so bothered by this? A green word once in a while sure doesn't bother me. I'm seriously curious as to what makes you not want this. _________________
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Bringer of Death Trick Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Location: Saving the world, one death at a time. |
24. Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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It feels like IGN sold out. I can't really explain it, but I actually avoid IGN if I can just because it feels like they sold out.
I can understand the need for them, J Dogg, but can you do something else besides this?
Wait, are the words underlined before you drag your mouse over them? If so, why not just make the words black? Less annoyance++ _________________
iperson wrote: | EBT wrote: | Hey man, what's for dinner tonight? | You have asked for infinity and you don't deserve it. |
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VxJasonxV Maniac Member
Joined: 08 Feb 2002 Location: Castle Rock, CO |
25. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Death Bringer wrote: | It feels like IGN sold out. I can't really explain it, but I actually avoid IGN if I can just because it feels like they sold out. |
IGN needs money. Can you even imagine how much Bandwidth they use even daily?
Death Bringer wrote: | Wait, are the words underlined before you drag your mouse over them? If so, why not just make the words black? Less annoyance++ |
Because the point of an ad is to grab your eye. If it just blends in with the rest of the usual stuff, it's not even attempting to reach your eye. _________________
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Drenchfur Trick Member
Joined: 27 Feb 2003
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26. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:35 am Post subject: |
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SLKMMM wrote: | Why are so many people so bothered by this? A green word once in a while sure doesn't bother me. I'm seriously curious as to what makes you not want this. |
Because we are here to discuss things, not to have our words turned into advertisements. I don't mind the color of these links. It lets me know they weren't put there by the message poster. The large mouse-over text is annoying when it appears, but I like how it's identified as a sponsored link. Also annoying is the message shown at the bottom of the screen, instead of the actual address of the link. Clicking these links takes us through one (or maybe two) redirections before winding up where it promises to lead, and I hate being tracked. Furthermore, I hate not being able to right-click things to do whatever I want with them.
If this is required to keep the board going, fine. It's certainly not my decision! The banner ads were not as irritating (by comparison) but they too never had things I was in the market to buy. Perhaps banner ads targeted toward DDR Freaks would help? I hear some of them are suckers for anime... |
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Sohcahtoa Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Portland, OR |
27. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:49 am Post subject: |
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As long as the ad links are a different color from normal links, it doesn't bug me at all. Seriously. Its nothing. _________________
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J Dogg Administrator
Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA |
28. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:54 am Post subject: |
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The forums are the single most expensive thing to keep on the site because of the large bandwidth usage. It contributes to 70% of the traffic of the entire site, but it contributes barely anything for revenue. The reason I am experimenting with these is because of this discrepancy. I still don't know if these ads will do the trick, but I'll have to run them for a while before I can determine that.
If the color or style of the linked text is annoying, I can reduce the maximum number of sponsored links per page (right now it's at 5), or I can change the color. I was thinking maybe blue, double underlined text would look better than the current green, bold underlined text. _________________
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Bringer of Death Trick Member
Joined: 08 Apr 2002 Location: Saving the world, one death at a time. |
29. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:27 am Post subject: |
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VxJasonxV wrote: | IGN needs money. Can you even imagine how much Bandwidth they use even daily? |
Like I said, I can understand the need...but does it have to be so annoying?
VxJasonxV wrote: | Because the point of an ad is to grab your eye. If it just blends in with the rest of the usual stuff, it's not even attempting to reach your eye. |
And who's clicking these links? Seriously.
Have you thought of a donation thing for the 'Freak, J Dogg? Or uh...am I a bit late in suggesting? I'm sure there's plenty of people who would be willing to pay to keep this site up. Just have a monthly goal, like all those webcomic sites do. _________________
iperson wrote: | EBT wrote: | Hey man, what's for dinner tonight? | You have asked for infinity and you don't deserve it. |
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J Dogg Administrator
Joined: 16 Jan 2002 Location: Sunnyvale, CA |
30. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:38 am Post subject: |
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wait... Death Bringer, have you even seen these ads?
I've done the donation thing before, and it's something I don't like to do. First of all, DDR Freak is a for-profit organization and I would feel bad just taking money from people for our own operating expenses. Also, when I had the donation thing up in the past, one person donated, and that was a mod.
I already said I never plan to put pop-ups on the site, or anything else that would be super annoying, like interstitials (those in-between-pages ads). I'm experimenting with these because they seem unobtrusive and they may have the potential to actually get the forums to generate their own income instead of relying on everything else. _________________
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Edible Bondage Tape Trick Member
Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Location: Kerri |
31. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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well i for one dont ming them its a far better alternative than what could happen (pop ups pay to post or no forum) _________________
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Junior Asparagus Administrator
Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Natick, MA |
32. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:54 am Post subject: |
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I don't mind them at all either. _________________
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MPB3.Radio Trick Member
Joined: 05 Dec 2002 Location: P-Town |
33. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 6:57 am Post subject: |
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I don't see anything because I use the browser for cool people. |
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IguanaGrrl Staff Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA |
34. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 7:40 am Post subject: |
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It amazes me how insensitive people can be. They don't want to consider the cost behind keeping this site up, so when alternatives to charging for use come up, they even whine about that.
It's a few links, people. Ignore them and move on. If you want to keep using the site, then stop complaining. Things like this fund the site.
Geesh. _________________
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Agilab Contributor
Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Location: Baltimore, MD |
35. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 9:57 am Post subject: |
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They kinda caught me off-guard at first, then I realized what was going on and noticed not to click them anymore. _________________
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Cutriss Staff Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2002
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36. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 10:06 am Post subject: |
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evn wrote: | Bug report: They're also broken on safari (and I imagine Omniweb 5, and Konqueror too) | It's because Gecko and KHTML have the much of the same features, and hence drawbacks. Death Bringer wrote: | And who's clicking these links? Seriously. | Advertising isn't always about registering a sale. It's about building brand awareness and product awareness.
I saw an interesting discussion about this on Slashdot about two weeks back. People were asking about how exactly spam manages to be profitable, when nobody in their right mind would buy something from a spammer. Perhaps people are just looking in the wrong direction. Much spam never even expects an answer - it's marketing a product that you can get from a legitimate seller. I mean, you're certainly not going to buy herbal viagra from a spammer, but one thing you do know after deleting twenty e-mails from different people advertising it - if you want to get herbal viagra (snicker snicker), you can most fscking certainly get it on the Internet.
It works the same way with a lot of other products too. Think about it.
And yeah, JC Penney's does sell Game Boys, but that's practically it. If you'd ever seen a JCP "electronics section", you'd be lucky. Most people don't because they're busy blinking. _________________
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El Cliffórdo Trick Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2003 Location: Tokyoooooo! IRC: #ddrfuk on irc.faereal.net |
37. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I don't think the ads are that intrusive, and as long as they're pulling in enough cash (i.e. you're not playing with the forums for pennies), they can be tolerated. I mean, lets not fool ourselves, aside from certain cases, adverts in general are tolerated as opposed to welcomed, their only advantage is allowing the displayer to get some cash. Compared to the alternatives, such as popups or interstitials, however, they could be worse. I've seen them but I use Firefox, so in day to day browsing they're not going to crop up for me.
IguanaGrrl wrote: | It amazes me how insensitive people can be. |
Lots of people use IE, and most people i've heard don't like the ads. I'm not saying they shouldn't be run, especially if they can help the site, but you can't expect everybody to love them.
Bearing in mind that I appreciate the following;- Bandwidth isn't free
- Revenue is hard for a community site to generate
- It's not my site
you have to appreciate that if you use a script to turn people's posts into dynamically created commercials, some people arn't going to like it. It's not right to call them whiners and roll your eyes at their comments if they have an objection. Part of the reason for a test being run is to see if the ads are too annoying. I'm not saying they are, but they may well be found to be, in which case people would not be unreasonable in thinking they are annoying. Surely they're not being insensitive? |
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Spike Administrator
Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Denver |
38. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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I have no problem with them. I didn't really like the green color, but if you do change the color don't make it the same color as the regular hotlinks so people don't get confused.
Anyways, I don't get the people who say "I don't see them anyways...but please change them!" If you don't see them, then who cares? I had to load up IE just to check them out. I won't be seeing them for quite some time (assuming they eventually are made compatible with FireFox) so why should I be bitching about it? Actually, even if I was still using IE I still wouldn't have a problem with them.
If you have some other options you'd like to suggest, I'm sure JDogg would love to hear them. But saying "I don't like it change it" isn't very helpful. Be happy that he isn't doing popups or interstitials or anything. This is pretty mild, ESPECIALLY if it doesn't show up on your browser. _________________
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IguanaGrrl Staff Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA |
39. Posted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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El Cliffórdo wrote: | Lots of people use IE, and most people i've heard don't like the ads. I'm not saying they shouldn't be run, especially if they can help the site, but you can't expect everybody to love them. |
I'm not expecting them to love them, I'm expecting them to either tolerate them or come up with a better, less intrusive idea.
I run IE myself, so I see the problems that the average user goes through. When we started having massive issues with spyware due to the banner ads, I was by far the most vocal about it. Compared to the spyware banner ads that Jason had NO knowledge of them using, this is NOTHING.
Quote: | Bearing in mind that I appreciate the following;- Bandwidth isn't free
- Revenue is hard for a community site to generate
- It's not my site
you have to appreciate that if you use a script to turn people's posts into dynamically created commercials, some people arn't going to like it. It's not right to call them whiners and roll your eyes at their comments if they have an objection. Part of the reason for a test being run is to see if the ads are too annoying. I'm not saying they are, but they may well be found to be, in which case people would not be unreasonable in thinking they are annoying. Surely they're not being insensitive? |
I understand and appreciate that and maybe it would be easier for me to say these things provided I wasn't using IE and going through this with them. These ads really AREN'T annoying compared to the alternatives, so I find it incredibly difficult to be sympathetic to their complaints, especially when they're using the site for FREE.
I can't put myself in his shoes, but if I were J Dogg, I would feel a bit offended. *shrug* I think he's been MORE than accomodating over the years and has bent over backwards to make sure that his users are kept happy. _________________
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