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Tenesu Basic Member
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1600. Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I have a few more questions, that might have to do with my last post (2 posts up)--
1. I opened the cat5e telephone wire and there were 8 wires with diffrent colors which were twisted into 4 diffrent pairs(one color one white). My question is can I use the 4 colors for UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT, and one white one for ground even though it was wrapped up with another color?
Yes, you can use one wire for ground and 4 for signal wires.
2. What do I do with the 3 extra wires?
Anything you want, I'd keep them in case you want to add something else later like lights, another button, etc. I wouldnt recomend that you use them for carrying high voltage though.
3. How do I test the connection?
I'd recomend a multimeter with a connectivity tester. In a pinch you could get some sort of light, wire it with a power supply, and check that way.
Like this, where the O is the light {+-} is the power supply and the __ | --- are wires.
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Paranoia Survivor Trick Member
Joined: 22 Jan 2004
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1601. Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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Finished building my pad (Riptide Design). It's great! Working fine. But a slight problem. I've been so used to soft pads that when i play, i hit hard for some reason and i miss arrows alot. >.< Oh well, ill get use to it _________________
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Jace Trick Member
Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Sacramento, California |
1602. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:18 am Post subject: |
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I've had my pad finished for quite awhile now but haven't played on it much because it didn't seem to hit arrows good.
At first it was a pain to press down meaning you had to put your entire body weight on the pad and by the time you did that the arrow would miss. We slowly took out foam peices and at the end were left with only the corner foam peices (cut up mouse pad) and now it bends down easily but it seems like you have to step down far (its easy to bend the lexan, it's just a long way to hit the sensor). The 2 metal peices also seem to stick a little bit which I think is causing a delay since i am hitting it but it counts as a good or boo. Suggestions?
Oh and how do you get that arcade feel when you step on an arrow? The arcade pad doesn't feel like it bends at all yet it registers every time you step on it, anyone know how they did it? |
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Tenesu Basic Member
Joined: 05 Feb 2004
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1603. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | At first it was a pain to press down meaning you had to put your entire body weight on the pad and by the time you did that the arrow would miss. We slowly took out foam peices and at the end were left with only the corner foam peices (cut up mouse pad) and now it bends down easily but it seems like you have to step down far (its easy to bend the lexan, it's just a long way to hit the sensor). The 2 metal peices also seem to stick a little bit which I think is causing a delay since i am hitting it but it counts as a good or boo. Suggestions? |
Try to close the gap between the trigger plates as close as possible either by raising your screws or by raising the lower plate (depends on your method of construction). This will allow you to press down only a little bit but still trigger the pad. I'd place all the foam back after you have done this to allow the button to reset itself as fast as possible
In my opinion, relying on the plexiglass to flex in order to trigger the button isn't the best idea. It puts unnecessary strain on the material and leads to problems. It also means that your triggers only connect in one small area, the point where the flex touches the bottom trigger plate. Having stiff, low-travel buttons means that the contact area is as large as possible and leads to a high pressure sensitivity. It also means the foam shouldn't wear out as fast as it's not undergoing nearly as much compression (although I can't prove that last statement.)
Quote: | Oh and how do you get that arcade feel when you step on an arrow? The arcade pad doesn't feel like it bends at all yet it registers every time you step on it, anyone know how they did it? |
While I've never taken one apart, my guess is that they use some sort of high quality pressure sensitive switches.
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flipmachine88 Trick Member
Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Location: yo mama! |
1604. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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i wasn't sure where this question would go but would it be possible to rewire one of those solo pads they sell at channelbeat.com in the spare parts section so that you can use it as a PS2 dance pad? if so how would you do it?[/url] |
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oranges Trick Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2003
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1605. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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WTF!!!!!I was playing earilier on my Riptide design and then everything just stopped working. What happened? Even the X,O,and triangle on the controllr don't work. Is there anyway I could fix this? |
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tolookah Trick Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: The People's Republic of Wesdives. |
1606. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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oranges wrote: | WTF!!!!!I was playing earilier on my Riptide design and then everything just stopped working. What happened? Even the X,O,and triangle on the controllr don't work. Is there anyway I could fix this? |
quick question, does the controller work?... if not, you may have managed to fry it. _________________
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Tenesu Basic Member
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1607. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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flipmachine88 wrote: | i wasn't sure where this question would go but would it be possible to rewire one of those solo pads they sell at channelbeat.com in the spare parts section so that you can use it as a PS2 dance pad? if so how would you do it?[/url] |
Assuming that the switches and such are still intact, yes, you could probably wire it up if you had the patience and experience and ability to learn by yourself. I don't imagine many people have tried to do that so you'd be on your own. Guessing at how many wires you'd have to sort out I'd say that there's 6 for signal, 1 ground, 1 high voltage for the lights, 1 ground for the lights for a total of 9ish. |
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Tenesu Basic Member
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1608. Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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oranges wrote: | WTF!!!!!I was playing earilier on my Riptide design and then everything just stopped working. What happened? Even the X,O,and triangle on the controllr don't work. Is there anyway I could fix this? |
Did you make it yourself? If so, have you opened it up to see if perhaps a solder point broke? |
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1609. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Tenesu wrote: | oranges wrote: | WTF!!!!!I was playing earilier on my Riptide design and then everything just stopped working. What happened? Even the X,O,and triangle on the controllr don't work. Is there anyway I could fix this? |
Did you make it yourself? If so, have you opened it up to see if perhaps a solder point broke? |
Actually, it sounds like the controller is fried. There really isn't much that could've happened to cause this. The only other thing that I can think of would be a solder problem, but that would be only if you used one wire for the ground wire. In which, I would check out then and see if it came off...
But you said that the X, O, and triangle doesn't work, so it wouldn't be solder. So, I'm going to have to say that it is indeed fried.
I'd probably take the wires off and buy a new controller to resolder to.
Shadow_Dragonz
EDIT: I forgot to add my name . Also, does anyone know where i can host my images? I have them on the net, but I cannot link them to display. Just a PM with a sit link or something would be great. _________________
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1610. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Jace wrote: | I've had my pad finished for quite awhile now but haven't played on it much because it didn't seem to hit arrows good.
At first it was a pain to press down meaning you had to put your entire body weight on the pad and by the time you did that the arrow would miss. We slowly took out foam peices and at the end were left with only the corner foam peices (cut up mouse pad) and now it bends down easily but it seems like you have to step down far (its easy to bend the lexan, it's just a long way to hit the sensor). The 2 metal peices also seem to stick a little bit which I think is causing a delay since i am hitting it but it counts as a good or boo. Suggestions?
Oh and how do you get that arcade feel when you step on an arrow? The arcade pad doesn't feel like it bends at all yet it registers every time you step on it, anyone know how they did it? |
This is a ddrhome pad version, right? Those do not really feel like the arcade style. I belive that due to experience but could be wrong .
To get it to respond better....I do not know. Something like Riptide's design would be better for response. There usually is a little extra room and isn't screwed down like the arcade. So it has some free movement, and can be depressed anywhere on the arrow switch. For ddrhomepads, I think that you do have to depress in the center. I think you could put a little solder blob in the center, so you do not have to push down as much to get it to register. Then it'd pop back up fast...I think. Some other people have experimented with putting a screw in the center of the sheet metal from the bottom to acomplish the same thing too, and you can adjust the sensitivity too by that.
The arcade feel is that it has extra room to move, that the acylic (or whatever they may use) is cut smaller than the actualy dimentions. Also, the metal panels sit a little higher than the acrylic. That is another gap between the brackets and the acrylic.
I hope that helps some what.
Shadow_Dragonz _________________
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oranges Trick Member
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1611. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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I have a question. Is there some way I could ground my pad? Like maybe using duct tape on the bottom or something? |
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hooded__paladin Trick Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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1612. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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how the heck would that ground anything? Use your mind, and maybe get a little electronics theory.
There isn't really a great way to ground these pads, so
1. get an official Dualshock for the PS1. they're fairly shock resistant
and/or 2. put resistors in series with the wires going to the controller to lessen the effects of shocks |
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tolookah Trick Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: The People's Republic of Wesdives. |
1613. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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oranges wrote: | I have a question. Is there some way I could ground my pad? Like maybe using duct tape on the bottom or something? |
... if by ground you mean electrically, not with duct tape you dont. your best bet to grounding the system is by having a wire that's attached to all the metalwork on the thing lead out, and while you play, make sure it's touching something grounded. (computer cases work, large metal appliances are all grounded, as are younger siblings)... thats the fastest way to get it done, but your better bet is to buy an official sony controller, they are rather shock resistant (i played shock tests with one a friend physically broke) _________________
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maxxlimited Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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1614. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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does anyone know where to buy lucite? |
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MarKoPoLo Basic Member
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hooded__paladin Trick Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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1616. Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2004 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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many cheap 3rd party controllers are bad at handling static. A lot of people will buy the cheapest controller they can find, but that's not ALWAYS a good idea. Sounds like you just have one that doesn't have that problem. |
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oranges Trick Member
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1617. Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2004 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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So, I bought a Sony made controller. It was a tad harder to solder but it works. |
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Knee-ill Trick Member
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maxxlimited Trick Member
Joined: 24 Jan 2004
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1619. Posted: Sat Feb 14, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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hey guys, im done with my pad, sometimes all the arrows and button doesn't work at all. When i unplug it and plug it back in, it works perfectly fine . Can anyone tell me whats going on, thanks. |
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