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20.  Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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im mostly a freestyler. im a popper/funk stylist off of the ddr machine, so i guess its second nature to want to get down and show off on the machine. thats not to say i cant pass the harder songs. i can pass almost anything on heavy/oni steps, minus 3 songs. but im a dancer at heart and stepping to arrows at 300bpm doesnt suit my style.
and ive been known to FS some cata songs as well. :-D
ddr is about having fun. whether it be FS'ing or PA'ing. as long as your having fun with it, i dont hate. its more like a segregation of 'people that groove with it' and 'people that try too hard', not FSers vs. PAers.
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Ryu_Hirakashi
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| 21. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| QHeretic!¿ was here wrote: | I wouldn't pay to see either ...whatchu talkin' bout!?
Unless it was a REALLY REALLY good freestyle performance... but PA is just boring to watch now... it's kinda like... oh wow...another AAA... yay. *Walks away*... And DDR is whatever you want it to be... it can be a technical game, a dancing game (hence the name -DANCE- dance -REVOLUTION- .... REVALOTIEON!!!@%$!), a picnic mat (not recommended), a rave stage, a stripping pole, a jungle gym, a seizure machine, or a jukebox...
Personally, if it's not in a competition, FS doesn't need to be all that original in my opinion. It's your time to do whatever you wanna do... but when you get into that tourney scene, you know if you aren't performing your own work, someone's gonna call you on it/you aren't likely to win. |
Well my friend if you think AAA'ing is such a boring thing to watch. How many songs have YOU AAA'd?? When you've done it yourself is when you will realise the kind of work people put into pulling off this ridiculous stuff.
And don't get me started if it's an impoosible song to PA to begin with. Will a show of hands tell me how many people would rather see someone AAA Burning Heat or Cartoon Heroes as opposed to seeing another improve routine??
The thing is anyone can slap an improve routine in about 10 seconds, but how many people do you know that can AAA Xenon?? Or even AAA a 6-optioned song. Not too many. 
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Felix_da_Dance Cat
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| 22. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:06 am Post subject: |
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I think it would be nice to see more people that can do both. I am always trying to get better at the game. Still can't pass every song. Got close on Max300 heavy the other day, but I still try to put together good freestyle routines. Just for fun, not for competition or anything. I think it would be awesome to see more people try to combine both. It sounds like if you do one you can't do the other. It shouldn't be like that. We should all try to do harder songs while freestyling. Try the paranoia's or the max's on standard or something. Get good and you can show that you are good at the game and are still looking good at the same time.
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Emiki
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JB4GDI
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| 24. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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I'm just doing heavy stuff as exercize, and there's not really any point for me to do freestyle, as there aren't many good DDR spots around here.
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LonerBoi
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| 25. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: freestylers vs. heavy steppers |
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| Pen Thief wrote: | | LonerBoi wrote: | which do u perfer? the ddr'ers who can lik bust out FS on slower songs (to say) or the ddr'ers who play all heavy songs??
for me i perfer the freestyle'ers, cause to me, that shows skillz. it shows to me that, the ddr'ers put some time to memorize, study, and look nice when they dance. |
Well, like you said, freestylers can only play relativily slow songs, and have to memorize the song, what fun is that?
As to a heavy player just going all out with his fast moving feet, not having to worry about if the song is to fast for me to look nice.
Freestylers, in my opinion have no skills, just egos. Its just a way to get attention and show-off, you can't say that for a heavy player, because they challenge themselves with faster songs, unless they brag like our #1 player here in El Paso Texas 
Sorry if you think I went to far or if you got offended, I was just stating my view, holding back just a bit. 
Oh and when I hear and see a person freestyle PSM on oni, then I'll concede onto the freestyle side. |
I recently saw this video of "chronos" playing "candy" I think, he was wearing a pikachu costume and his partner was wearing a jigglypuff costume, (yea I know my pokemon do you?) that movie right, DAMN IT  that was dumb!!! It kind of makes me want to go heavy steppers or PA's.
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Fresh!
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| 27. Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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We have no FSers in my area unfortunately, only tech players reside here. So primarily, I'm a tech player.
I reckon it's cool having a variety of PA & FS. The only way I get to see some good FS is from the overseas vids. -_-
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EndlessWaltz
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| 28. Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| i tried to be a tech dancer but got bored because i beat only 8 footers so one day i decided to try somthing new and i found out i was real good so now im a freestyler.i think freestyling is way better because it gives u a chance to be creative and think of more styles it is way more fun and i appreciate people recognizing me for my style. |
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A-Jay
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| 29. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | | Last time I checked DDR wasn't a dancing game so I don't know why everyone calls it that!!! |
Check the cover for the first DDR mix. I'm pretty sure at the bottom, there's a bar that says "Dance Simulation Game". On the other hand, Beatmania really has more to do with synth-boarding than DJing, but they call that a "DJ Simulation Game", right?
| Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | | The thing is anyone can slap an improve routine in about 10 seconds, but how many people do you know that can AAA Xenon?? Or even AAA a 6-optioned song. Not too many. |
Yes, people can learn to improvise a routine rather quickly. But I can't wait to see your face when you assume that a video showing a routine was ACTUALLY an improvised freestyle. It takes at least a year to develop a solid improv-FS repertoire.
Oh, and these days in CA, it's hard to go crazy over a AAA when we start to see them in tournaments and on random occasions. I can't imagine what it's like in Seattle right now. Not to mention Japan, of course. I saw my friend AAA CSFIL Speed Mix Double Dark Hidden Boost 1.5x about two months ago, and he doesn't play nearly as much as he used to a year ago... We had two AAAs at a tournament last week, one on CSFIL Standard Single and one on My Summer Love Heavy Single... I've seen Tigger Eugenie's memory card, as well as watched JSB play flashing 10 footers... and I won't even get into how a few of my friends and I get as many AAAs as we can on DDR home versions whenever we get bored.
| LonerBoi wrote: | | I recently saw this video of "chronos" playing "candy" I think, he was wearing a pikachu costume and his partner was wearing a jigglypuff costume, (yea I know my pokemon do you?) that movie right, DAMN IT that was dumb!!! It kind of makes me want to go heavy steppers or PA's. |
I'm sure if one of your good buddies decided to do something like that at a tournament, told you about it, and got you all hyped about it, you'd be heavily entertained too when he pulled it off in public. There are a lot of routines that are mostly inside jokes and comedic antics - but that's what separates the highly technical dance routines from the purely entertaining routines.
PA and FS are two entirely different things. There's just no reason to say that one is better than the other. But there are wrong reasons not to like one or the other. |
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Ryu_Hirakashi
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| 30. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| A-Jay wrote: | | Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | | Last time I checked DDR wasn't a dancing game so I don't know why everyone calls it that!!! |
Check the cover for the first DDR mix. I'm pretty sure at the bottom, there's a bar that says "Dance Simulation Game". On the other hand, Beatmania really has more to do with synth-boarding than DJing, but they call that a "DJ Simulation Game", right?
| Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | | The thing is anyone can slap an improve routine in about 10 seconds, but how many people do you know that can AAA Xenon?? Or even AAA a 6-optioned song. Not too many. |
Yes, people can learn to improvise a routine rather quickly. But I can't wait to see your face when you assume that a video showing a routine was ACTUALLY an improvised freestyle. It takes at least a year to develop a solid improv-FS repertoire.
Oh, and these days in CA, it's hard to go crazy over a AAA when we start to see them in tournaments and on random occasions. I can't imagine what it's like in Seattle right now. Not to mention Japan, of course. I saw my friend AAA CSFIL Speed Mix Double Dark Hidden Boost 1.5x about two months ago, and he doesn't play nearly as much as he used to a year ago... We had two AAAs at a tournament last week, one on CSFIL Standard Single and one on My Summer Love Heavy Single... I've seen Tigger Eugenie's memory card, as well as watched JSB play flashing 10 footers... and I won't even get into how a few of my friends and I get as many AAAs as we can on DDR home versions whenever we get bored.
| LonerBoi wrote: | | I recently saw this video of "chronos" playing "candy" I think, he was wearing a pikachu costume and his partner was wearing a jigglypuff costume, (yea I know my pokemon do you?) that movie right, DAMN IT that was dumb!!! It kind of makes me want to go heavy steppers or PA's. |
I'm sure if one of your good buddies decided to do something like that at a tournament, told you about it, and got you all hyped about it, you'd be heavily entertained too when he pulled it off in public. There are a lot of routines that are mostly inside jokes and comedic antics - but that's what separates the highly technical dance routines from the purely entertaining routines.
PA and FS are two entirely different things. There's just no reason to say that one is better than the other. But there are wrong reasons not to like one or the other. |
Well since you are from cali it doesn't surprise me that you would give the kind of retorts you would.
Anyway, I absolutely hate the fact that DDR is supposed to be some Dance simulation game when that's never really been the focus to begin with.
Also, it's getting harder and harder to find good routines these days. Maybe that's just the way it is on the east coast. I don't think I've ever really seen an awesome dance routine put together. Maybe if I would have then I'd appreciate FS'ing a little more.
Next, You act as if I go gaga over every little AAA that I see or something. You have to give me a little more credit than that. I want to see AAA's for the songs that people would never think anyone could AAA. Those are the AAA's I go crazy over.
I just wish my optioning ability was good enough to do some of that stuff. But I guess I can just keep on training.
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Liquid Zero
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| 31. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I like both. I'm more of a PA than a FS, but I tried freestyling for awhile to see how it would go. I was good at it, but I liked being a Heavy Stepper more. However, I believe both are equal in their own ways. |
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Aku Soku Zan
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| 32. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I like watching both PA'ing and FS'ing but when it comes to me playing I'm definatly a PA'er. For one thing, I can't dance worth crap and also I just enjoy playing on heavy. I have nothing against FS though.
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The Game II
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| 33. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | | Anyway, I absolutely hate the fact that DDR is supposed to be some Dance simulation game when that's never really been the focus to begin with. |
I believe it was the focus to begin with. First Mix and Second Mix had some really great songs with steps to match. I'll freestyle more on those two mixes than the more recent mixes.
Once the game became more technical, I believe the producers focused on making the steps harder, thus bringing out crazy stuff like PSM Oni and Maxx Unlimited.
--GCII
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marc-is-da-name
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| 34. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The Game II wrote: | I believe it was the focus to begin with. First Mix and Second Mix had some really great songs with steps to match. I'll freestyle more on those two mixes than the more recent mixes.
Once the game became more technical, I believe the producers focused on making the steps harder, thus bringing out crazy stuff like PSM Oni and Maxx Unlimited.
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The first 4 mixes of DDR had WAAAAAAAY better FS songs than the last 4 mixes. But back to the discussion...
I'm not much into the whole scene as I was before...but, personally, I was always amazed at the craziness that a player brought when he or she Perfect comboed a difficult song. However, a good freestyle (whether it be routine or improv) will always inspire me to, at least, play a game or two afterward :-P
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Jeffreyw
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| 35. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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how bout you fs on a heavy song? then you would be good in my opinion. actually anyone better then me is good.
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| 36. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I see a lot of Techies around so there is a much high scale. I find that once you see the best Tech person in your area, you shy away from enjoying anybody else play. Also alot of people I know treated DDRing like Substance Abuse and play the song over and over until they master it. And when they master the hardest song they begin to get bored and thus we loose another DDR player (for a while anyway).
Yet in Freestyling, there is always room for improvement on your current Freestyle or creation of a entirely new one. Also when your thinking of moves it's mind aching because you have to so creative to make it look half decent at least.
I perfer Freestyle because it's fun, and unique.
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Jeffreyw
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| 37. Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2003 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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well when you get an AAA on everysong on ddr then i guess its about time you start doing somthing else.. i think fs is ok as long as you don't brag about it. same gos with PA.
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LonerBoi
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| 38. Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| PDDRC_Beginner wrote: | I see a lot of Techies around so there is a much high scale. I find that once you see the best Tech person in your area, you shy away from enjoying anybody else play. Also alot of people I know treated DDRing like Substance Abuse and play the song over and over until they master it. And when they master the hardest song they begin to get bored and thus we loose another DDR player (for a while anyway).
Yet in Freestyling, there is always room for improvement on your current Freestyle or creation of a entirely new one. Also when your thinking of moves it's mind aching because you have to so creative to make it look half decent at least.
I perfer Freestyle because it's fun, and unique. |
Took the words right out of my mouth. Right now, I'm thinking of FS on Paranoia Survivor. Anyone think I can do it?? HAHA
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zanarkandsky
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| 39. Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryu_Hiragoshi wrote: | First off, what's up with the term" Heavy Steppers"???
It just sounds sort of dorky. I don't know. It's sure is funny as hell when I say it to myself.
Anyway, I'm all for tech play. Last time I checked DDR wasn't a dancing game so I don't know why everyone calls it that!!!
All you are doing is just keeping beat with your feet rather than your hands as opposed to (insert any other bemani game here).
It just seems like people lack so much originality when it comes to FS'ing. I guess I've seen too many improve routines. But the idea of FS'ing just sounds kind of dumb to me when considering that it practically goes against what you are really supposed to be doing.
Besides I'd pay money to see monster PA'ing than FS'ing any day of the week. It's just 1000 times more impressive.
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Dance Dance Revolution?
Anyways, I believe you should be able to make this game into what you want it to be. There are all different styles, and I find each one as unique as the other. Some people are amazing to watch when they just normally play (as in side turning and adding own steps and just all around amazing to watch). But again, some people are really boring to watch, and look like they would rather be clipping toenails than playing DDR. And then it depends on the freestyling ... er, style, you have. Some people are interesting to watch in that category, and some people you wanna shove off the dance pad.
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