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Arch0wl - GG
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0.  Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:03 pm Post subject: I have grown to prefer playing SM on the keyboard to IIDX |
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1) The notes usually go to the melody where IIDX goes more to the bassline
2) New songs are constantly being made where as with 6th style.. you people know what I mean.
3) It's just more fun to me.
I have other reasons but these are my 3 main big ones.
Other reasons include
-I'm really really good at it
-Key setup
-It's on PC
-It doesn't have some annoying extra button (scratch)
-If I like a song and I thought "hey, that could be fun to play on IIDX/SM", well the difference to this is I can actually make it and put it on SM
-I'll think of more later |
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Phrekwenci
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| 2. Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think he's talking about th actual game IIDX, ya know with the controller and everything.
And I'll have to agree with Arch here, I feel the same way. Though Remy is going to shoot me later for it.
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Bee*
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| 3. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Shame SM is nowhere near as impressive or difficult as IIDX or Pop'n Music could ever be.
And the notes of SM go to whatever the user makes them go to. Since when was the "melody" part of the rules of DWI making?
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| 4. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 2:44 am Post subject: |
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| Laharl wrote: | Shame SM is nowhere near as impressive or difficult as IIDX or Pop'n Music could ever be.
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*points at archowl* *points at his blur dwi* *retches* try that one, then say that again (i've played iidx and pop'n...)
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Bee*
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| 5. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| caffymajin wrote: | | Laharl wrote: | Shame SM is nowhere near as impressive or difficult as IIDX or Pop'n Music could ever be.
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*points at archowl* *points at his blur dwi* *retches* try that one, then say that again (i've played iidx and pop'n...) |
Thats simply because he goes and puts in 16th jumps on the same two arrows at 480 bpm. Thats not just "difficulty", thats just lame. IIDX could easily do that if it wanted to, but Konami realise thats its mere masochism.
And I'd say Classic 8 EX from Pop'n bearts Blur for difficulty anyday, except its actually more enjoyable.
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Remy
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| 6. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| Arch0wl of GG wrote: | | 1) The notes usually go to the melody where IIDX goes more to the bassline |
You're joking, right? Name me some IIDX songs that you don't play the melody on.
Yes, you sometimes have to play the baseline on IIDX. They're entirely different games.
| Quote: | | 2) New songs are constantly being made where as with 6th style.. you people know what I mean. |
No, I don't know what you mean. DDR hasn't had a new arcade version made since a year ago. IIDX has had 9th Style released since then and 10th is on the way. And as we all know, 7th Style CS is in production.
| Quote: | | 3) It's just more fun to me. |
To each their own.
| Quote: | | -I'm really really good at it |
So you don't like a game because you haven't put in enough time to get good at it. Okay...
OH MY GOD THIS GAME HAS A DIFFERENT BUTTON LAYOUT THAN THIS OTHER GAME IT MUST NOT BE AS GOOD.
So's BMDX. So?
| Quote: | | -It doesn't have some annoying extra button (scratch) |
Yeah, well, DDR has a down arrow, and that annoys me because it's an "extra button".
Seriously, what the fuck?
| Quote: | | -If I like a song and I thought "hey, that could be fun to play on IIDX/SM", well the difference to this is I can actually make it and put it on SM |
And you think there aren't tools available to make BMS files?
I have no problem with people liking one game over another if they have a valid gripe, but these are silly. You're comparing a simulator and somehow the entire breadth of the series of one game to just the home version of another.
If you're going to compare arcade games, fine - IIDX is location testing 10th Style, and DDR has been doing nothing for the last year.
If you're going to compare home versions, fine - IIDX hasn't had a new version for a year and a half, while DDR has had a handful. There is a new IIDX coming (assuming Konami doesn't poopy it); no more DDR games have been announced.
If you're going to compare sims, fine - StepMania is fantastic. BMDX is not so great, but it works.
But this random cross-comparison isn't a convincing argument.
And Phrek is now dead to me.
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Arch0wl - GG
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| 7. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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I was not comparing them. I was stating my reasons for liking it more.
| Quote: | | You're joking, right? Name me some IIDX songs that you don't play the melody on. |
These are the ones I know for sure, there's lots more:
Stick Around
Changes
Jelly Kiss
War Game
Colors
Murmur Twins
Love Me Do
Remember Me
Happy Wedding
D2R
Let the Snow Paint Me
Marmalade Reverie
Glorious Days
Burning Up For You
Doigts De Fatima
Beautiful Days
Commente De Tire Adeiu
M-02stp. Ver.1.01
Yesterday
Spin the Disc
The Cube
There's lots more, those are the ones I bothered to list.
| Quote: | | No, I don't know what you mean. DDR hasn't had a new arcade version made since a year ago. IIDX has had 9th Style released since then and 10th is on the way. And as we all know, 7th Style CS is in production. |
I'm not counting arcade. 7th style CS, big fucking deal, in like, what, 5 months? That's already nearly two years since the release of 6th style.
| Quote: | | OH MY GOD THIS GAME HAS A DIFFERENT BUTTON LAYOUT THAN THIS OTHER GAME IT MUST NOT BE AS GOOD. |
OH MY GOD YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME.
I WAS SAYING THAT I LIKE SM MORE BECAUSE OF THE BUTTON LAYOUT. IIDX'S IS EXTREMELY ANNOYING TO ME. THE SCRATCH IS STUPID BECAUSE THIS GAME IS NOTHING LIKE DJ'ING IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY THEY MADE PNM BECAUSE THEY REALISED THEY COULD'VE CORRECTED THE MISTAKE OF A SCRATCH BY ADDING TWO EXTRA BUTTONS.
BMDX is, in a nutshell, IIDX. And, in this topic, I've been stating my reasons for preferring playing SM Keyboard songs to IIDX.
I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm stating that some people do prefer playing SM on a keyboard to IIDX, so people should stop saying "Just go play IIDX." when they're talking about a keyboard simfile. |
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| 8. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, i've thought of another reason!
-Your a fag
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hooded__paladin
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| 9. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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blasphemy!
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really, get some better reasons. Play on autoscratch. LEARN some more so you can play better. I find IIDX is a real challenge, whereas SM is just sitting there and mashing your fingers.
In IIDX you play both the bass and the melody. Most official DDR songs go to the bass. Most originals follow either the bass, the melody, or EVERY SINGLE *** 16th NOTE as if it was great or something.
Not to mention IIDX has nice movies and, if it's an arcade, HDTV 
and actually playing the music is so interesting. Just fun to finally comprehend a song and go 'so that's what it sounds like' |
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Remy
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| 10. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Arch0wl of GG wrote: | | Colors |
The fact that you even listed Colors as a song that doesn't "go to the melody and goes more to the baseline" boggles my mind.
Let's compare.
This is the DDR stepchart on Heavy.
This is the IIDX notechart on 7-key.
The IIDX version is ALL MELODY until measure 33. And even then you're still hitting melody notes but just focusing on the rhythm. The DDR version, on the other hand, doesn't really follow anything except the vocals every now and then, and that's not even following it that closely.
What else did you list? D2R? War Game? Yesterday? ALL of these follow the melody.
The only thing they don't often follow is the vocals - is THAT what you meant?
| Quote: | | I'm not counting arcade. 7th style CS, big fucking deal, in like, what, 5 months? That's already nearly two years since the release of 6th style. |
Not counting arcade, which is why you just mentioned a bunch of arcade songs. Yes.
I'll admit that the lag time between CS versions has been plenty long. It sucks. What can you do?
| Quote: | | I WAS SAYING THAT I LIKE SM MORE BECAUSE OF THE BUTTON LAYOUT. IIDX'S IS EXTREMELY ANNOYING TO ME. THE SCRATCH IS STUPID BECAUSE THIS GAME IS NOTHING LIKE DJ'ING IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHY THEY MADE PNM BECAUSE THEY REALISED THEY COULD'VE CORRECTED THE MISTAKE OF A SCRATCH BY ADDING TWO EXTRA BUTTONS. |
I had no idea Konami made Pop'n because IIDX was such a massive fuckup! That would explain how shortlived the series has been. I would've thought they made Pop'n because they wanted to make a music game that was more colorful and had lots of different genres of music! Silly me!
Oh, and you've got me on the "IIDX is nothing like DJ'ing" part. Stepmania, however, is exactly like hitting four keys in your keyboard. In fact, I'd say it's the most perfect hitting-four-keys-on-your-keyboard simulation in history.
| Quote: | | I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm stating that some people do prefer playing SM on a keyboard to IIDX, so people should stop saying "Just go play IIDX." when they're talking about a keyboard simfile. |
I understand that, but your reasons leave a lot to be desired.
Here are a few more reasonable ideas why people might like Stepmania better than IIDX in any form:
-Stepmania is far cheaper than modding a PS2 and importing a game and a controller.
-There's a huge US community for DDR sims, and there is a much smaller one for IIDX. Thus, easier to find songs, more people developing them, etc.
-The amount of Japanese you need to get through to play IIDX is greater than the amount you need to get through for SM.
-BMDX is not easy to come by. Neither are Light 7 BMS files.
-Learning curve on IIDX is much higher than SM, and is thus more frustrating. This is what happens when you only have four keys.
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Arch0wl - GG
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| 11. Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| hooded__paladin wrote: | | LEARN some more so you can play better. |
I can pass 90% of the songs on 7 key and another. It's not about being able to play it correctly. Like I said, I didn't say I didn't like it because I wasn't really good at it. I said I liked SM better because I was really good at it.
| Quote: | | find IIDX is a real challenge, whereas SM is just sitting there and mashing your fingers. |
I only know like 3-4 SM Keyboard songs that you're actually mashing the keyboard.
| Quote: | ALL of these follow the melody.
The only thing they don't often follow is the vocals - is THAT what you meant? |
Vocals = Melody.
Melody != what is being played in the background.
Melody is what you hum or the main thing you hear when you listen to a song.
| Quote: | | Not counting arcade, which is why you just mentioned a bunch of arcade songs. Yes. |
Those two things are totally different. I was talking about no new songs being made for awhile, you were talking about what songs were not going to the melody.
| Quote: | | I had no idea Konami made Pop'n because IIDX was such a massive frick! |
Point out where I said IIDX was a massive frick. I did not say that. I said that the scratch was a mistake. IIDX, or beatmania in general, should not have been around the concept of being a DJ. PNM is around the concept of just hitting buttons that play a sound, like IIDX/BM should've been in the first place.
| Quote: | Stepmania, however, is exactly like hitting four keys in your keyboard. In fact, I'd say it's the most perfect hitting-four-keys-on-your-keyboard simulation in history.
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SM on a keyboard is not really classified as anything, sort of like PNM.
| Quote: | | -Learning curve on IIDX is much higher than SM, and is thus more frustrating. This is what happens when you only have four keys. |
The learning curve on IIDX isn't that big, it's just that SM has anywhere from Remember You beginner to blur. |
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Phrekwenci
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| 12. Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Remy wrote: | | And Phrek is now dead to me. |
*sniff sniff* But I do like the IVKAS stuff, does that count?
<3 me again?
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hooded__paladin
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| 13. Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| Arch0wl of GG wrote: | Vocals = Melody.
Melody != what is being played in the background.
Melody is what you hum or the main thing you hear when you listen to a song. |
Melody is the main sequence of instrumental notes.
The vocals, whether they follow the melody exactly or not, are accompaniment. |
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Arch0wl - GG
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| 14. Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| hooded__paladin wrote: |
Melody is the main sequence of instrumental notes.
The vocals, whether they follow the melody exactly or not, are accompaniment. |
Fine, fine, you win those points.
Whenever I say melody, I just mean whatever people think of or hum when they think of the song, since I don't know the word for it. |
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