KCET, Drop Out, and EotC - Catas?

Flameboat · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:59 pm Post subject:

I've never played nor heard Drop Out, so I'll keep my mouth shut. KCET, my first non- modded cata, is an 8 in my mind. It's so unbelievably easy. EOTC, on the other hand, is insane (for me). Probably a medium-hard 9, I got a D on it with the controller once(I think). Sana Morette is uber-simple, I can pass it pretty easily (nearly AA'ed it with 2x, but that hardly counts). But, whatever. Why is My Summer Love a 9???

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wraith985 · Trick Member Joined: 26 Dec 2002 Location: Saratoga, CA

Drop Out is an 8 imo - the only thing that's tricky about it is the 8th note quads at the end (the jumps aren't really even that hard). I could see it being an easy 9 though; it's still hard for me to PA those 8ths, and back in the day i'd actually miss a bunch. I passed it before I passed any catas at all; i count it as my fourth only because i passed dead end, kakumei, and twilight zone before i noticed the change, haha.

Paranoia KCET should be an 8. Nothing tricky about it; not even any long runs or awkward steps that make rebirth a 9. imo kcet is the second easiest paranoia; i think the original is the easiest.

EotC is a definite 9. It's way too hard to be an 8, and it's harder to PA than a good number of 9s too.

And (off-topic) Witch Doctor and Waka Laka should be 9s too. Legend of Max Standard should be 8, and Maxx Unlimited Standard should be 9. Sakura Heavy should be a 9 and sakura Oni should probably be a hard 8. But that is neither here nor there.

Razma · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:50 pm Post subject:

Drop Out = 9
Why? = Jumps, crazy 8th runs at the end.

KCET = 7
Why? = Wasn't it a 7 when 3rd mix came out? Also, I beat it around the time I was adept of 7 foot songs.

EOTC = 9
Why? = Chaos and 8th runs with jumps at the end.

Drop Out remix = 9
Why? = Last part, while mimicing the original, is placed in half the space of the original step pattern and is thus, harder to read.
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DJ Sakura Evolution · Trick Member Joined: 12 Aug 2003 Location: Riverside, CA

You forgot Waka Laka and how hard of an 8 footer it is, I've played it once and failed within 30 secs that was when my PA started to suck. Now with my PA improving, I haven't played since. I remember the song had step-jump-step patterns and all that crap.

Witch Doctor and for it to be called a 8 footer is crazy, if it's a 8 footer it's a crazy insane hard 8 footer but I think it's more in Cata Land. Crazy patterns and alot of Stream.

Drop Out on 7th Mix is a Cata to me with the crazy end of tapping.
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Flameboat · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:26 pm Post subject:

Plibit4 · Basic Member Joined: 29 Nov 2003

EotC should stay 9. Never played Drop Out. KCET should be an 8, if not a 7.

wraith985 · Trick Member Joined: 26 Dec 2002 Location: Saratoga, CA

way to bring a 2-month-old thread to the top of the forum again :roll:

it's been beaten to death. it doesn't matter what you think about the foot ratings - EotC, Drop Out, and KCET are all 9s as of right now, and there's nothing anybody can do about it. so deal.

radicalfaith360 · Trick Member Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Dover, NH

They're all 8's. EotC isn't a 9, it's just really fucked up.

RevenG_2MB · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:07 am Post subject:

Cartoon Heroes is just like all these songs were discussing.
I know it's off topic, but that's one HELL of a 9-footer..

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discobiscuits · Trick Member Joined: 07 Sep 2003 Location: phoenix

drop out... should be a tough 8. the jumps are hard and weird the first time u do them

kcet should be 8... just ur normal 8th note routine.

EoTc. 9... it has so many jumps, just like waka laka... but waka laka is 8 for some reason
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stardf29 · Trick Member Joined: 04 Oct 2003 Location: Jet World!

I think Konami made a mistake when they made Paranoia KCET a 9. The same kind of mistake they made making Burning the Floor a 9. (i.e. they intended it to be an 8, but something screwed up.)

If KCET is a 9, all the current 8-footer Heavy Paranoias should be 9's. Maybe they'll change that in the future.

Off-topic, but Paranoia Evolution should DEFINITELY be a 9. Those streams are insane!

As for the others: EotC is definitely 9-footer material. Drop Out will definitely seem like a 9 the first few times you play it (kinda like My Summer Love, n'est-ce pas?).
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Kaleigh · Trick Member Joined: 18 Dec 2002 Location: Whole New World

Paranoia KCET: Yeah, it's easy, but maybe it could be thought of as a stepping-stone cata, you know, like a cata for people who are just getting to that level.
Drop Out: This was one of the last three catas I passed on Max2, and it wasn't because of the jumps. It was because of that horrible stream right before the end. I personally think this should stay a cata.
End of The Century: With a fairly high BPM, and no pattern in the steps, this makes for a hard song. I'd keep this a cata, too.
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469.JR07 Si · Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:35 pm Post subject:

KCET is a possible cata for stream and continuous play, EOTC has a few breaks to let you kinda rest. and surprisingly Burning Heat was the first cata i ever passed on 7th mix, i had passed drop out on 5th mix which i think then was still an 8. as for Waka Laka, its not that bad cept for the jumps a high 8 because the entire song is stream.

YmkFX · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Location: California

End Of The Century = Jerking your feet around because the step maker decided to press as many random keys as he could.
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I dunno about that. KCET should be a 9 ... while it's not as hard as some it's got some rather annoying step patterns and I find myself doublestepping through a lot of it.

Drop Out ... um, definitely 9. I can pass loads of hard catas but those jumps just totally throw my balance; by the time I get it back I've missed like four of them and quickly fail. Sure I could bar rape it but then I can bar rape Max300

(On a Euromix 2 anyway...)

As for EotC, hey this is practically HVAM's twin and nobody argues that THAT isn't a Cata. As it happens I passed HVAM before EotC.

HM · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:37 am Post subject:

Well, its really all just personal opinion at the end of the day, unless you break it down into fields. I wrote an article about it, as well as the other two hot debates that plague the DDR world, Bar hugging and Speed Modding.

P. KCET is definitely not worthy of cata-status, but it should still stay one as a way of inspiring the 7-8 foot players to press on further.

Zoelef · Trick Member Joined: 27 Nov 2002

KCET - 8: Yea, there's some step-jumping at a high speed, but A (O)'s is faster and more frequent.

Drop Out - 9: If you can't jump at 260bpm, you fail; if you can't do the long run at the end, you fail.

EOTC - 9: Are you kidding me?
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BeForU~Dude2~ · Trick Member Joined: 13 Oct 2003

KCET- should NOT be a 9 should be an 8

EOTC- deserves to be a 9

Drop Out- Can be a 9 but it also can be a damn hard 8 footer like it was in konamix.
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Prismatus · Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject:

Drop Out - Decent 9. The first time I played this I passed it with a B, and I had only beaten half of the catas, but the jumps and the notes at the end are evil for anyone who doesn't have that mastery of straight jumps like I do, just kinda comes natural to me.

EotC - Are you being serious?

Paranoia KCET - In my opinion, it's a stepping stone cata. It's also one of the 7 catas I've mangaged to AA more than once (must do it more than once for it to count) While I find it to be the easiest Paranoia, it's probably also going to be one of the first ones I AAA, if I stay in the game that long. So let me have my bragging rights, plz.