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Mix Ma$ta' Trick Member
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1240. Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, that should work ok, but i would recommend using the L1 and R1 buttons, simply because you will need your x, and o buttons suring menu operation, other than that, everything should be fine. |
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DJUjeen Basic Member
Joined: 25 Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver, Washington, USA |
1241. Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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--MIXM--a$ta' wrote: | yeah, that should work ok, but i would recommend using the L1 and R1 buttons, simply because you will need your x, and o buttons suring menu operation, other than that, everything should be fine. |
Pardon me for my lack of knowledge. How do the games work? Do you decide which buttons will work for the corner arrows; do you assign the buttons to the functions? I've never used the playstation 2 versions. Thank you for your help! |
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Little Firefly Trick Member
Joined: 08 Jun 2003 Location: Heading away from the white light... |
1242. Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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for the brackets, what are their dimensions? I can't find them online and i was wondering if they would work with my thinner pad design. _________________
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rk_cr Basic Member
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1243. Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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Alright, my father and I have been thinking about this static electricity buildup problem and come up with a solution (for those of us who do not care about lighted pads):
What if one used, instead of a layer of Plexiglass, then a graphic, then another layer of plexiglass, only one layer of plexiglass, the graphic, then a sturdy material that doesn't conduct electricity? That way, there'd never be any way for the pad to buildup static electricity, except perhaps on the top plexiglass, but even if it builds up there it doesn't matter because it won't get to the wiring.
Just a thought. |
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Rockerman Basic Member
Joined: 25 Nov 2003
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1244. Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 7:42 am Post subject: ps2 controller? |
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I wanted to use a ps2 controller for my home DDR metal pad. Can I do this? Everything i've read so far mentions psOne controllers. |
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rsd212 Trick Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Location: East Lansing, MI |
1245. Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: |
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rk_cr wrote: | Alright, my father and I have been thinking about this static electricity buildup problem and come up with a solution (for those of us who do not care about lighted pads):
What if one used, instead of a layer of Plexiglass, then a graphic, then another layer of plexiglass, only one layer of plexiglass, the graphic, then a sturdy material that doesn't conduct electricity? That way, there'd never be any way for the pad to buildup static electricity, except perhaps on the top plexiglass, but even if it builds up there it doesn't matter because it won't get to the wiring.
Just a thought. |
Another way would be to run Al foil or other conducting material under the plexi, possibly just around the outside edge, and ground it. Giving the static a clear path to ground is a sure way to eliminate it. |
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tolookah Trick Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: The People's Republic of Wesdives. |
1246. Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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rk_cr wrote: | Alright, my father and I have been thinking about this static electricity buildup problem and come up with a solution (for those of us who do not care about lighted pads):
What if one used, instead of a layer of Plexiglass, then a graphic, then another layer of plexiglass, only one layer of plexiglass, the graphic, then a sturdy material that doesn't conduct electricity? That way, there'd never be any way for the pad to buildup static electricity, except perhaps on the top plexiglass, but even if it builds up there it doesn't matter because it won't get to the wiring.
Just a thought. |
... just to let you know... plexiglass doesn't conduct electricity... (well it does, but its about as good a conductor as glass)... what you would want is a good way to isolate the controller from the pad, which gets resolved when using lights and relays (or opto-isolators in my case)... the relays should really do a good job of isolating the system, and at least on the official sony controllers, the chipset used is actually friendly to smaller resistive loads on the controller buttons, because of the current limiting resistor on teh board... but i digress...
to repeat, to avoid damaging the controller, the best way is to isolate everything, and if you really don't wanna do that, setting up on each button a 5 or 6volt zener diode will help. |
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Frosty555 Trick Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2003
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1247. Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:40 am Post subject: |
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Shadow_Dragonz wrote: | Does anyone have any schematics that they could post, or how they set up their dance pad for lights? I'm just curious due to the fact that there's a lot of talk about it yet there's nothing really documented about it or concrete. The only thing that I can refer to is Patster's design. If anyone wouldn't mind, it would be greatly appreciated |
I have a schematic for your lights, how you anchor them into your pad is up to you... I'll post them in a bit.
hooded_paladin wrote: | hey Frosty555, you posted on the digitaltorque forums a while ago a schematic for controlling lighting with one switch. That site's down now, though. I don't really get why you would need two circuits at all, just add a relay in-line, but could I see that schematic? |
Sorry I'm taking so long! I'll PM them to you after I post them here. The image server with the schematic went down so I'm finding it on my home computer for you. Just a note, the schematic did NOT with with incandescent lights. It only worked with LEDs, this is because the LEDs also are diodes, which are crucial for the design to work. Without them, when you hit one pad, all of them go down on the controller. In theory if you include diodes in series with the incandescent lights it SHOULD work, but I am not certain, so I have to try it first.
I'll send it to you and shadow when I find it.
dj io wrote: | i am having a similar problem but it is with one of the $30 ebay metal pads... because i ripped out the wiring and redid it myself and soldered to a playstation controller. the bottom arrow keeps shorting out, no matter what button it is soldered to on the controller, and then it ruins that button on the controller forever (i am using it for stepmania so it doesn't have to be any specific button). i found some 33kohm resistors i had from when i was younger & used to mess with electronics stuff.. would this work or do i need the 10? what is resistance anyway?
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is it a problem that i don't have the playstation controller pcb inside the plastic casing? i just taped it on the inside of a project box that measures about 8"x5"x4" |
Well... if the resistance is too high all that will happen is you will find your buttons not responding. A resistance that is too low will make the pad more susceptable (sp?) to shorts. You don't want to be on the verge of being too high or your button will flicker on and off. On *my* controller the resistance could go up to 40,000 ohms before it stopped triggering, but it all depends on the pad.
As for the controller, nah, shouldn't make a difference. Just make sure that you are not shorting anything out on your controller when you anchor it to your pad. I sandwiched mine with some blue camping foam on either side to brace the from any shocks or impact which could cause problems.
rk_cr wrote: | What if one used, instead of a layer of Plexiglass, then a graphic, then another layer of plexiglass, only one layer of plexiglass, the graphic, then a sturdy material that doesn't conduct electricity? That way, there'd never be any way for the pad to buildup static electricity, except perhaps on the top plexiglass, but even if it builds up there it doesn't matter because it won't get to the wiring. |
The reason why static buildup occurs is because the plexiglass does not conduct. Without the conductivity it can build up a static charge. When it shorts to the metal is where the damage occurs (because 5000+ volts DC is going to the controller buttons, and damaging the processor chip).
tolookah wrote: | ... just to let you know... plexiglass doesn't conduct electricity... (well it does, but its about as good a conductor as glass)...
...to repeat, to avoid damaging the controller, the best way is to isolate everything, and if you really don't wanna do that, setting up on each button a 5 or 6volt zener diode will help. |
Plexiglass does not conduct electricity, but it DOES build up static charge. If it did conduct then our problems would not exist. Do NOT use a 5 or 6 volt zener diode. Reason 1) A zener diode is a voltage regulator. It will cap the voltage. They usually come at 9v. Reason 2) The playstation controllers only uses approximately 3 volts to trigger it's buttons, the diode would never activate. Reason 3) The diodes require a substantial amount of current to use properly, and button contacts on the controller only barely provide it. If would make your button connections flaky. _________________
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1248. Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:57 am Post subject: |
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rk_cr wrote: | Alright, my father and I have been thinking about this static electricity buildup problem and come up with a solution (for those of us who do not care about lighted pads):
What if one used, instead of a layer of Plexiglass, then a graphic, then another layer of plexiglass, only one layer of plexiglass, the graphic, then a sturdy material that doesn't conduct electricity? That way, there'd never be any way for the pad to buildup static electricity, except perhaps on the top plexiglass, but even if it builds up there it doesn't matter because it won't get to the wiring.
Just a thought. |
The reason why we don't just use one layer of Plexiglass is due to a few reasons. 1) It's require a thicker piece of Plexiglass 2) The image would have to be glued to the bottom of the plexiglass and over time would damage the image there. 3) It could be possible to get it "painted" on the bottom of a piece of acylic, though it would cost a substancial amount more.
Rockerman wrote: | I wanted to use a ps2 controller for my home DDR metal pad. Can I do this? Everything i've read so far mentions psOne controllers. |
Yes, you should be able to use a PS2 controller. There should be no problem at all. It would cost you more if you had to buy it, and then you are wasting the analogs too. But other than those differences, I do not see why not .
[quote="rsd212]Another way would be to run Al foil or other conducting material under the plexi, possibly just around the outside edge, and ground it. Giving the static a clear path to ground is a sure way to eliminate it.[/quote]
Actually, like ddrhomepad said, it would wear out the foil, hang down and cause missteps . So, it is a good idea, but it has its flaw that it would have to be replaced often.
Frosty555
I was going to make a dance pad with LEDs but no one helped me for over a month. So, I gave up on the idea entirely . So, now I'm creating my own design for the lights, not to mention my own design for the dance pad. Hopefully everything will go well. Now to finish up with the schiematics. But I would still like to see the schiematics that you have drawn. I haven't started construction, so I can still change the design, and I would like to be able to help others by knowing this . Just curious, where did you learn all this? Well, when I get back from my mom's house construction will finally begin.
DJUjeen
It sounds like you are trying to build a Pump It Up dance pad. They are the only ones that I know of that have the diagnals . If that's not the case, then that would be a unique way to build a ddr dance pad. Now if it is for PIU, then I would suggest finding a PIU forum and posting there
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tolookah Trick Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: The People's Republic of Wesdives. |
1249. Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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Frosty555 wrote: | tolookah wrote: | ... just to let you know... plexiglass doesn't conduct electricity... (well it does, but its about as good a conductor as glass)...
...to repeat, to avoid damaging the controller, the best way is to isolate everything, and if you really don't wanna do that, setting up on each button a 5 or 6volt zener diode will help. |
Plexiglass does not conduct electricity, but it DOES build up static charge. If it did conduct then our problems would not exist. Do NOT use a 5 or 6 volt zener diode. Reason 1) A zener diode is a voltage regulator. It will cap the voltage. They usually come at 9v. Reason 2) The playstation controllers only uses approximately 3 volts to trigger it's buttons, the diode would never activate. Reason 3) The diodes require a substantial amount of current to use properly, and button contacts on the controller only barely provide it. If would make your button connections flaky. |
Zener diodes are not current devices, the reason for using one is to let it discharge the voltages built up from static, which would protect the CMOS devices inside the controller. (static is a huge voltage, if you make sure the voltage doesn't go above say... 5 or 6 volts, you avoid the 100-1000 volt static discharges. I am not suggesting to use it for proper operation, but more of a safeguard from static buildup, where you do end up with the really high voltages. I suggested a 5 or 6 because that is high enough not to affect the playstation, but low enough to keep it safe... I know what im talking about frosty(and i think you do too), i just think we had our ideas crossed... |
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hooded__paladin Trick Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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1250. Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Shadow_Dragonz wrote: | DJUjeen
It sounds like you are trying to build a Pump It Up dance pad. |
Actually it sounds like he or she was talking about the solo arrows. To answer your question, the left-up arrow is X and the right-up arrow is O |
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MarKoPoLo Basic Member
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1251. Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:03 am Post subject: |
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halo people of this thread! i have decided to post this to let you all know that i am going to create my own ddr metal dance pad. i am soooo excited. man i am such a geek. hah! ah well atleast i will have fun right? anyways what i would also like you all to know is that my new pad will be self designed. thus meaning i am designing my own. hopefully this will work the way i want it to. my electronics teacher is going to help me on this. hey im 18 and i dont know everything. besides this stuff is his specialty (electronics and the like). anyways main reason i am getting him to help is because he knows what he is doing and i want this to work uberly. so anyways i figure if you could just tell me some of the downfalls of the current models i may be able to work them out and eventually eliminate them. also whats a good controller to buy for the circuit part of the pad? oh and if it isnt to much extra trouble could you tell me why they are a good controller to buy?
thanks guys (and girls if there are any)! wish me luck because this will be a challenge im sure. _________________
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1252. Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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hooded__paladin wrote: | Shadow_Dragonz wrote: | DJUjeen
It sounds like you are trying to build a Pump It Up dance pad. |
Actually it sounds like he or she was talking about the solo arrows. To answer your question, the left-up arrow is X and the right-up arrow is O |
Yes it did...sorry about that. Hmm..that's what I get for lack of sleep. Well, I'm back after 15 strait hours of sleep, so I should have more of a mind to use .
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1253. Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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MarKoPoLo wrote: | halo people of this thread! i have decided to post this to let you all know that i am going to create my own ddr metal dance pad. i am soooo excited. man i am such a geek. hah! ah well atleast i will have fun right? anyways what i would also like you all to know is that my new pad will be self designed. thus meaning i am designing my own. hopefully this will work the way i want it to. my electronics teacher is going to help me on this. hey im 18 and i dont know everything. besides this stuff is his specialty (electronics and the like). anyways main reason i am getting him to help is because he knows what he is doing and i want this to work uberly. so anyways i figure if you could just tell me some of the downfalls of the current models i may be able to work them out and eventually eliminate them. also whats a good controller to buy for the circuit part of the pad? oh and if it isnt to much extra trouble could you tell me why they are a good controller to buy?
thanks guys (and girls if there are any)! wish me luck because this will be a challenge im sure. |
Okay, I'm going to have to say that the Sony Playstation (the original, without the analog buttons) is the best one to use and get. 1) It's cheap and run you about a mear $5 to buy at Gamestop 2) They have been made by sony, for sony. So, you know you are getting top quality. 3) Few to none have complained about using a Sony controller.
Okay, the down side. 1) Points are small to solder to (I have done it, and yes it is small) 2) You have to scratch off the black stuff that sony has put on that will not allow anything to solder or stick to.
That's about all that I can think of at this time. And again, that is the controller I would use, and going to use.
Cool, another person going to build their very own ddr dance pad. Best of luck to you. And I or someone else here should be glad to help you out if you ever need it. Oh, and if you ever get the time, I would like a copy of the design and schiematics if you don't mind. I still would like to update my FAQ and put up links and such for adding lights. [email protected] is my e-mail address.
Oh, I too am making my own design. I don't think that something like a Riptide, ddrhomepad, and Patster hybrid with a Shadow_Dragonz and BlueBeefman mod and such would really be a great name. Though I do have to give them all credit, except me .
Good luck again. Oh, by the way (BTW) I don't everything either
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1254. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 2:21 pm Post subject: Questions, questions, and yet more questions =P |
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Hi,
It seems that no one is posting...ah well. I'll give some questions that should have one's mind thinking
1) What do you believe is the best paper to get the images printed on?
2) What is the best paper to get the images printed on for the lighting?
3) Would anyone suggest laminating the picture to have it last longer?
4) Do you just slap the picture down in the middle of the two pieces of acrylic or do you glue it in, or would you tape it in?
5) Is there any way to get the images ... I guess painted onto a lamination or something of the sort? This is so you can have an image like Riptide's and not have to worry about it at all.
6) Has anyone else found any other kind of contact that would work...I mean other than the weatherstripping.
7) Where do you find out about the electronics and circuitry?
8) Does anyone know the dimentions for the trick bar?
9) What kind of pipe would you need to get for the trick bar?
10) How do you, or what do you think is the best way, to mount/place the controller in the dance pad?
Well, those are all the questions that I can think of at the moment .
Thanks in advance
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Snof Trick Member
Joined: 09 Jun 2003 Location: UCSC |
1255. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Questions, questions, and yet more questions =P |
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Shadow_Dragonz wrote: | 6) Has anyone else found any other kind of contact that would work...I mean other than the weatherstripping. |
My friend and I are building a pad that uses springs instead of weatherstripping. It's not completed yet, so it's not tested, but it seems like it's going to work great. The pad is basically a riptide design using the screw contacts and one spring at each corner of the panel. The springs I found were a bit too long, but I was able to set them down into the wood by drilling a hole down that they fit nicely into (which also keeps them from moving around). They cost a dollar each at the local hardware store.
We haven't finished yet since we didn't have the jigsaw around to trim the plexi to fit perfectly in the arrow wells. Once that's done we can finish it up and go through the process of getting all the screws at the same height for the contacts to work well. |
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hooded__paladin Trick Member
Joined: 10 Nov 2003
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1256. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Questions, questions, and yet more questions =P |
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Shadow_Dragonz wrote: |
1) What do you believe is the best paper to get the images printed on?
2) What is the best paper to get the images printed on for the lighting?
3) Would anyone suggest laminating the picture to have it last longer? |
I think normal is good enough - the plexi is enough to keep it protected, and it makes it glossy too. I dunno what everyone else thinks.
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4) Do you just slap the picture down in the middle of the two pieces of acrylic or do you glue it in, or would you tape it in? |
slap it in. The two pieces keep it held in place.
Shadow_Dragonz wrote: |
7) Where do you find out about the electronics and circuitry? |
just solder one side of the arrows to ground and one to each arrow... not too hard
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10) How do you, or what do you think is the best way, to mount/place the controller in the dance pad? |
either find a place underneath the controller to tape it up (Riptide) or just wire the arrows to the controller and use the rest of it for the other buttons (DDRHomePad) or put the controller in a black project enclosure (w or w/o buttons) for extra sexayness (TerTerBox and what I did) |
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1257. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I'd just like to take the time to expand on one of my questions. The one that I was asking about where do you learn about circuits and electronics/electrics is that it was more so refering to about lighting. Frosty555 and hooded_paladin seem to know a lot about it. I however don't. I guess that was more of a personal questions, as refering to myself, than to other people.
Thanks everyone for answering the questions so far. I look forward to what everyone else has to say too.
---Snof---
I would think that the spring would damage the acrylic. Am I wrong about that? Well, with a spring, there shouldn't ever be a time where you would need to replace it, which is great! I hope that everything comes together and works out for you the way you've planned.
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Shadow_Dragonz Trick Member
Joined: 16 Mar 2003 Location: California |
1258. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I think that I've posted here more times than I've checked my e-mail this year! Well, aside from that I have another question (which I hope doesn't bump off my other list of questions...then I'd have to write them again, or add them to this post )
Here is it
Can you use 16 guage wire to solder to the controller and use for the ciruit? I know that it is a stupid question.
Thanks for putting up with all my questions
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tolookah Trick Member
Joined: 21 Sep 2003 Location: The People's Republic of Wesdives. |
1259. Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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for that circuitry question (for the lighting) i knew about it because im currently schooling for electrical engineering, so by now it's second nature to think things throuroughly. it took me a while to actually catch on what's going on in the official sony controller, but after a bunch of doing other stuff, i remembered to look for the durrent controlling resistor, which lets you put tiny resistances in the buttons, (up to a few kilo-ohms)...
as for other contacts that work, im currently using a craft foam, which is much cheaper than weather stripping, at about $0.50 per 10x5 sheet, and for me, it seems to work pretty good. the foam has the same function as the weather stripping, and i just used it because i knew it was cheap.
now to add another question to your list...
12(i think 12 is next up) : does anyone know enough USB specs to spoof the xbox to think there's a dancepad attached? |
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