Matsuri and Tsugaru... what do they mean?

NeoBlazeSJX · Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2003 10:05 pm Post subject:

"dai" means a whole hell of alot of things in Japanese.

TAI/DAI; oo(ki) - is the Kanji meaning "big" in "daigaku" (big learning)

In short there are about 6,000 Kanji still used, and numerous others that are less known. Each Kanji character has at least one pronunciation; usually two; and very often many more than two. In short there are alot of homonymns in the Japanese language. I've only begun teaching myself, and Daikenkai isn't something I can find where I usually look. Find the Kanji for Daikenkai and you'll know who's right.

UPDATE: Checked out "kenkai". Dai(big)ken-kai(2 kanji: point of view/opinion). Seems to make sense. As for "Daiken", can't find it. I'm leaning toward the others, sorry Yojimbo!.

UPDATE 2: Found the kanji and looked them up:

The kanji for "Ken" regards seeing (point of view)
The kanji for "Kai" means "to clairfy", "disolve"

I think "kenkai" means a different way of interpreting something (opinion). Daikenkai could possibly mean "big misunderstanding".

References: KanjiSite http://www.kanjisite.com
JEDI (japanese english dictionary interface) http://poets.notredame.ac.jp/cgi-bin/jedi-inon (Japanese support recomended)
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Yeah, I asked another japanese kid at school, Nori said it meant, in his Janglish (Japanese English) Large (Using hands to show me) Then after about five minutes of "Um..." He said, "When a person, (Long pause) what one likes, or does not." So, Daikenkai obviously means big opinion, no need to get technical.
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How much Japanese do you all actually know?? Polaris is the only person who seems to know what he's doing. Kanji isn't THAT tricky.

53xy N0 Ju75u · Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:53 pm Post subject:

I guess on the topic of Daikenkai I have one question. Doesn't Kai as itself mean Evil? Or maybe it was seashell....Or are both wrong? Anyone?

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LoveThyDrum · Basic Member Joined: 10 Sep 2003

Kai as itself, yeah you're most likely thinking of shell. That, however, is not the kanji found in Daikenkai. As for evil, aku is the kanji normally with that i think. There IS a gai for harm,injury,evil or something like that. Gai is very close so maybe you had that in mind. I hope that helps sort things out for you.

NeoBlazeSJX · Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2003 8:07 pm Post subject:

(kan) means "liver", yet in many combinations regards a "deepness", "esscence", "goodness" or "courage". Coincidence that the liver is a vital organ, or located deep within the body?
(you) regards importance

Though it may not make sense to us why Kanji combine to mean what they do, no word in the history of any language exists as it does for the hell of it. Even kanyou might make sense if you dig deep enough.

And even if I am totally off the mark with "kanyou", most common kanji combinations do contribute their relative meanings, and the Kanji for "big dai" almost always regards largeness or greatness.

"dai" (a different kanji) also means rank

"dai" appears in the hiragana of MANY combinations, without the "big" kanji, or even a meaning similar to "big", i.e. "nisennenmonDAI"-Y2K bug, "otetsuDAI"- maid, "odaimoku"-prayer/slogan, gokyoodai"-sibblings, or even "tatakidai"-chopping block/start of a discussion
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Blaze, you're making no sense and you seem to have a strange understanding of kanji. You're in the right direction but you seem to be BS'ing the topic a bit and making conclusions a bit too quickly. However I do agree that Kanji meanings can give you a general meaning of a word. I think Polaris is just trying to say you shouldn't generalize kanji because you will most likely be wrong at some point by doing that. I mean this as positive as possible too, I'm not trying to be mean or anything.

Anyway how long have you been studying blaze? And where at?

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NeoBlazeSJX · Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2003 7:36 pm Post subject:

Not once did I ever make a complete conclusion, nor have I said I am correct about anything. I simply gave my understanding and my sources. Sorry if that offends everyone.

I've basically been defending two points here:

1) The romaaji reading is "daikenkai". Though "dai" in this case very likely means "big", there are many cases where "dai" can be a different meaning (different kanji)

2) Most often Kanji characters portray some aspect of their meaning. In this case the characters are the ones for "Big" "Sight" and "Resolution". Chances are that the meaning of "Daikenkai" is relative to the combination, and "opinion" might not be in the sense that we think of it in English.

Regardless, the character used in "Daikenkai" is tha kanji that usually means "Big" or "Great".

What i meant in "the hiragana appears" is that the sylables [ta"][i] appear together in many combinations, thus the sylable "dai" could be part of many meanings.

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Poochy · Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:13 am Post subject:

Daikenkai: I know FOR SURE the first (leftmost) kanji character means 'big'. I'm not completely sure about the other two, and given this big debate, I don't think I want to add more fuel to the fire.

Kakumei: Revolutionary. End of story. This shows Polaris's point. The seperate kanji means 'acquire' and 'life'.

Nori Nori Nori: In this case, from the context of the lyrics, it means 'music'. Nori can also be a snack made from dried seaweed (quite tasty, too).

Tsugaru: There's several 'tsugaru's in the language, but one that I haven't seen anyone else mention in this thread is the Tsugaru Strait between Honshu & Hokkaido.
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I've always thought the word Tsugaru meant a storm or whatever, but I could be wrong on that one.
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Orion.25 · Trick Member Joined: 03 Aug 2002 Location: Oceanside, NY

Alright, why did this topic turn into Kanji/Daikenkai discussion?

-Matsuri has many synonymic meanings: celebration/festival/all around good time. (like on the Mario Advanced 4 commercial, when the guy puts up that sign, the 3rd [I believe] character is a 'Matsu' [yes Matsu; the ri is written in hiragana]; As in, "LET'S HAVE A CELEBRATION FOR MARIO! WEEE!")
-Tsugaru, (spelled TsugAru [not tsuguru, damnit]) yes, is a strait in Japan, and JQuickTrans says it means nothing more.
-Dai- is a prefix meaning 'greater/big[ger]/more' (as in daikirai=MUCH hate).
-Kakumei means revolution (that's been covered).
-Oh yeah, and IT'S SPELLED LOSE (as in lose a baseball game). NOT LOOSE.

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