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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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1140. PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://home.cogeco.ca/~nicotine/ddrpad1.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~nicotine/ddrpad2.jpg
http://home.cogeco.ca/~nicotine/ddrpad3.jpg

there mine is.

based off patsters design, but i improved a lil with the corner bracket supports, etc...

pretty much the same...

works wonders...
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Tofu wrote:
I don't understand how to do the soldering and the wiring of the controller of the pad. I checked out most of the websites but didn't really find anything. Can anyone help me with this?


http://customddr.com/arrowtocontroller.html

I used that site to get the idea, the only problem is buying the soft pad and gutting it and pretty much throwing everything but the circuit board away....oh well it's easier to solder to than regular controllers and these are probably built a little tougher to withstand ddr playing.

Make sure to test every contact or look at where the contacts on the soft pad are going to figure out exactly which contact goes to which arrow/button. The pad i got had a few buttons different from that picture, and that would have sucked to complete the whole thing only to find out the arrows were reversed... I don't know about anyone else, but that would piss me off. Ok that's about all i know, hope that helped.

And i like your pad Nicotine, very cool E1.gif
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1142. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 1:08 pm    Post subject: Controllers Shorting Out Reply with quote

Hey guys. Long time no see. Just had a quick question. I built my own pad a while ago and just can't seem to fix one problem. As the title of my post says, my controllers always seem to short out.

They are great for like the first week, but after that, a button always gets stuck as being pressed down. I know it isn't my pad because I've checked it over and over. The problem always gets fixed when I buy a new controller and go through the fiasco of soldering it all over again.

The thing is, I don't want to buy a new controller every 2 weeks. After a while, that $5.00 for that new controller starts to add up.

Is there anything I can do to keep my controllers from crapping out on me?

BTW, this is the controller I buy and mod:


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1143. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, im sorta confused. Is the weatherstripping there so that the pad can move down, but then rise back up after you step off it??
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1144. PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 8:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Controllers Shorting Out Reply with quote

flipboy101 wrote:

The thing is, I don't want to buy a new controller every 2 weeks. After a while, that $5.00 for that new controller starts to add up.

Is there anything I can do to keep my controllers from crapping out on me?


I've had the same problem with a set of metal pads that I bought. One of them came with a non-working board so I replaced it with a $5 dollar madcatz controller...and then another....and then another... I think the answer is to buy the $10 madcatz controller (the one with analog sticks). The big difference between the $5 and $10 madkatz boards is capacitors. Capacitors are great cheap way to protect chips from high voltages. Caps could be added to the $5 board but i'd rather pay $5 than figure out the cap sizes needed and pay $3 for them at Radio Shack which is probably the only place I could get them.

I'm currently building a pad because my metal ones are getting kind of bent, very squeaky, and even aside from the squeaking they've always been pretty loud, and they're 40 pounds or so each so they're a pain to store and transport. So I came up with a design for a pad that weighs 12 pounds, won't slide, makes no noise at all, is extremely sensitive even at the far corners, and should be just as durable as any metal pads and never require maintenance. And it costs about $40 in parts, all of which are from Wal-Mart and Lowes or Home Depot. Build time front to finish would probably be 4 hours. I'm using the $10 madcatz board in it and so far no problems. If the voltage spikes that fry the board are coming from the buttons themselves, rather than the input voltage from my converter (i'm using it on a PC), then I may end up frying it still.

Does anyone know if there is a capacitor on each input signal from each button in any manufactured pads? I don't remember if my pad's board had that originally, and the other one's board isn't accessible because the cover is welded on.
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1145. PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey sarcasm, are you gonna post a plan on how you built this pad? because a $40 dollar pad that works well would be nice
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1146. PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 10:37 am    Post subject: Re: Controllers Shorting Out Reply with quote

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I've had the same problem with a set of metal pads that I bought. One of them came with a non-working board so I replaced it with a $5 dollar madcatz controller...and then another....and then another... I think the answer is to buy the $10 madcatz controller (the one with analog sticks). The big difference between the $5 and $10 madkatz boards is capacitors. Capacitors are great cheap way to protect chips from high voltages. Caps could be added to the $5 board but i'd rather pay $5 than figure out the cap sizes needed and pay $3 for them at Radio Shack which is probably the only place I could get them.

I'm currently building a pad because my metal ones are getting kind of bent, very squeaky, and even aside from the squeaking they've always been pretty loud, and they're 40 pounds or so each so they're a pain to store and transport. So I came up with a design for a pad that weighs 12 pounds, won't slide, makes no noise at all, is extremely sensitive even at the far corners, and should be just as durable as any metal pads and never require maintenance. And it costs about $40 in parts, all of which are from Wal-Mart and Lowes or Home Depot. Build time front to finish would probably be 4 hours. I'm using the $10 madcatz board in it and so far no problems. If the voltage spikes that fry the board are coming from the buttons themselves, rather than the input voltage from my converter (i'm using it on a PC), then I may end up frying it still.

Does anyone know if there is a capacitor on each input signal from each button in any manufactured pads? I don't remember if my pad's board had that originally, and the other one's board isn't accessible because the cover is welded on.


So, the $10 controller with the analog sticks should work and not short out?

Have you tried the original PS controllers?

Oh yeah, those pads you are making, got any diagrams / instructions on how to make them? E1.gif
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flipboy101 wrote:
So, the $10 controller with the analog sticks should work and not short out?

Have you tried the original PS controllers?

Oh yeah, those pads you are making, got any diagrams / instructions on how to make them? E1.gif


Yeah I think so. Another thing I noticed about the controllers is that the USB converter which I just got recently (was using parallel port converter before that) doesn't seem to work with the $5 controllers, some button presses register but most do not, and lots of random buttons get hit every few seconds. But the $10 controller works perfectly, and of course the Sony controllers (i have one, but i'm not ripping it apart E1.gif) work perfectly.

About the pad design, I will eventually when I get time, and also once I've made sure that it really is as durable as I want it to be.
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1148. PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2003 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am planning to have my pad be 1" or less thick, so i really don't want a whole heck of a lot of room for contacts, I was wondering how much "give" each button on a ddr pad has, I know it isn't a whole lot.

I was thinking for the contacts, I could use a few layers of (sealed) paint to separate the contacts. Cause i want the sheet metal to be the outline of a square, I need 2 (one connected to the plexi glass and one on the bottom of my pad (possibly setting on 1/4" wood), then i'd paint stripes on it, seal the paint, and leave some of the metal bare to make the connection.

I thought paint would be a good idea because it is think, nonconductive, and lasts a REALLY long time if you do it right, whatd'ya think?

I've also encountered another problem. My pad design doesn't have any brackets, none, so i need to find something to hold down the plexiglass in it's squares. so i might wind up having to get brackets (expensive little buggers) anyway. I was wondering if anyone could come up with a cheeper solution.


I was wondering if anyone can come up with a solution to these problems, cause i have been thinking about it nonstop for the last couple days and i am stuck, also, my design is in the link in my sig. Can anyone tell me if it might possibly work?
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firefly: just looked at your design, and thought it has potential, although many designs that don't work have potential *grumbles at things that didnt work for self many times*

now, to answer your questions...

Paint: well, if you use paint, it may be difficult to adjust the positioning, so im going to suggest what im using right now, It is a Foam like substance, about 2mm thick, it cost me something like $0.40 for a 9inx12in sheet of it, and i used about half of a sheet for my pad of 8 functional buttons. I'm currently working on the theory that it's that cheap, if it only lasts two weeks, thats a running cost of less than $5.00 a year (only been using it for a week or so now, still good)
I got it at a craft/fabric store, and i ended up buying the one i trounced on too (they dont like it too much if you throw their product to the floor, and jump on it)
Link: http://www.darice.com/ecom/ProductDetails.aspx?it=1144-13&oid=6090

now, to avoid the brackets, i would still suggest using a metal, maybe just a triangle, to hold down the arrows, i myself had no real problems drilling holes in my Hyzod for this, but if you may have issues with that, then i'd go with the other brackets... just make sure you drill your holes with the paper sheeting on the material.

As for bending, if you use a stronger plexi (like a polycarbonate) they bend a little less in the middle so you may not even need the center piece, though it's a sound idea. so if you wanna go with it, go with it.

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Hi everyone again, I just finished my home-made ddr pad and it works Perfectly!....

Except for one thing, Patster, the new lighting design didn't work and i'm not sure why. i double checked every single wire going through this and everything is in the exact place you said it should be. The problem is that the relays (because they use the controller signal) are connecting the circuit for the controller buttons. My controller had little L.E.D. lights built into it and they light up when a button is pressed, and they were glowing nonstop. The wierd part is that all the buttons still worked, and once we disconnected the relays from the controller positive wire the L.E.D. lights turned off, and the buttons still worked.

Another wierd part is this: if the relay was constantly connecting the controller circuit, then the lights should have been all constantly on, but they never turned on at all. I had the hot wire from the cord in prong-1, the center of the light socket going to prong-2, the controller ground in prong-4, and the conroller positive with the resistor on it going to prong-3... i really don't know why the lights don't work, If you think of anything please let me know.

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tolookah wrote:
I'm currently working on the theory that it's that cheap, if it only lasts two weeks, thats a running cost of less than $5.00 a year (only been using it for a week or so now, still good)


i was really hoping to use the most durable, thin stuff possible, cause the contacts are on flat surfaces, i don't want it to have to bend too far, and i am sure it won't bend far at all anyway. And i am planning on using Lexan purchased from this site I was wondering what thickness(?) i need for the pad.
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Hey, finished my pad recently. It's really nice, only 1.5" thick and has lights E1.gif. They look really great.

Anyways, i can't actually play with it yet as when we put the 5$ madcatz PCB into a box (kinda like the control boxes on CF) that connects seperately to the pad, it no longer worked. Whenever it was plugged into the playstation both control ports stopped working (the normal PS controller in other port wouldn't do anything while madcatz box plugged in), which is odd as my dad is quite sure he didn't do anything that could have fried it, and he's a Master's in Electrical Engineering and has done lots of this type of thing before. Perhaps the madcatz is just REALLY cheap and fragile and crappy, as was just brought up.

So, could anyone who has that pic of the offical PS controller soldering points that i saw floating around here a looong time ago post it? Then i can actually play. happy.gif

And perhaps even take a video of the pad in action...with lights!
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needed the diagram for the controller..? i just posted a few posts ago you might have skipped it accidently, here's a playstation controller board.. i'm pretty sure it's an official psx controller



Thank you to customdrr.com for that pic E13.gif
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nope, that's actually a gamestop controller(recently opened and broke one of them) ... you should be able to follow the traces on the playstation controller, its a little tighter than the one below, has more lines (no black blob, actual parts n stuff) but here's a rough rundown of the one i just opened up two days ago (its working now, so i don't wanna mess with it)

all the buttons have 3 black blobs, one of them connects to a common lead, shared by all, also having a hole near the start button which you can call ground. if you follow the other lead, attached, you will find that the solder points are kinda tiny, although possible with three hands (or a really good holding device) if you want, send me a picture of it, and ill gladly post back within a day or two all the buttons labled on it.


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i was really hoping to use the most durable, thin stuff possible, cause the contacts are on flat surfaces, i don't want it to have to bend too far, and i am sure it won't bend far at all anyway. And i am planning on using Lexan purchased from this site I was wondering what thickness(?) i need for the pad.



ok, if you want two sheets per arrow (to sandwich the arrow design between the two) you are fine with 2 1/8th inch pieces. it's the smallest you can get, and with a center piece, you will be able to have 500+ lb people jumping on it, that stuff is durable (it's what im using)

On the other hand, if you are just using one, either a 3/16th or 1/8th will do you fine, 1/4inch polycarbonate is what they use on battlebots, but if you are like 100lbs, and all your friends are, then the 1/8th inch will be perfect for you.
Also, on a side note, that stuff does have some give, the reason it doesn't shatter so easilly is because it can bend. bend is good for things like this, honest.[/b]
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I'm hoping I can get some help on repairing my metal ddr pad. For reference, I revently bought this pad:

http://www.ddrgame.com/psps2suarmep.html

After playing for a while, the down arrow was consistently getting stuck. Shipping back the pad would have been a major hassle, so I had them send me a replacement down arrow.

I'm assuming to fix the problem, I will cut the wire of the existing button then solder the wires onto the new circuit. Can someone please tell me if this is the correct thing to do. Thanks.
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MadRhetoric wrote:
I'm hoping I can get some help on repairing my metal ddr pad. For reference, I revently bought this pad:

http://www.ddrgame.com/psps2suarmep.html

After playing for a while, the down arrow was consistently getting stuck. Shipping back the pad would have been a major hassle, so I had them send me a replacement down arrow.

I'm assuming to fix the problem, I will cut the wire of the existing button then solder the wires onto the new circuit. Can someone please tell me if this is the correct thing to do. Thanks.

MadRhetoric - Can you take pictures of the contacts that they are using for the arrow panels? I'm really curious and would like to know. drool.gif
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Just curious, couldn't you just solder to the traces?
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Just curious, couldn't you just solder to the traces?


Yeah, you can solder to the traces, but its alot easier to solder straight to the little copper(i think) blobs they give you, and by alot easier, i really really mean that, those blobs, so long as you put some solder on it before trying to attach the wire, and good and solder up the wire, will make your life easy, and keep the job a 20 minute job. (though again, that's a gamestop controller, not an official sony controller)
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The ORIGINAL sony playstation controlers, without the analog sticks i mean the first ones made, are really good for this. The actual triangle square and those buttons are hard to solder, but the arrows are extreamley easy. When you open it its all covered in black junk but it easily sanded off with sand paper and then it gives you a lot of copper to solder to. Each arrow will have about half of a 1cm wide circle to solder to. If you REALLY need it i can take a picture of it on here.
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