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Housemaster
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20.  Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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People, read all of crypto's posts in this thread before forming an opinion about him.
http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=71232
I hope he gets banned by a mod.
In that thread, he worships the BNS before he buys it.
He says CF's are crap.
Here's a sample of his bullshit:
| Quote: | UM HELLOOOOOOOOO! it only costs 130.00.
That means your precious warranty, which most never use anyway because it is a quality pad, is costing you 170.00. F*CK THAT!
I could buy 2 BNS' for the price of one cobalt, then have change left over to call you up long distance and laugh at you for wasting that much money.
Its the same pad, the only difference is that cobalt is handmade, so it costs more.
plus, cobalt flux is made with........wait for it.......... WOOD!
Ya! thats what I want. A metal dance pad with wood inside.
This is a classic case of hand-made verses assembly line. Your paying for the extra work put into the pad, which should not be confused with quality.
Btw, how many of you actually used your $170.00 warrany? |
| Quote: | Ohh ya? Then what do you do when your pad breaks eight months from the time you purchased it? Cry?
That $170 you threw away for the "sacred" warranty is enough to buy every single piece of material the CF is made of. Its just like car insurance, a big f*ckin rip-off. Even if you do use it, is that broken panel or broken wire really worth $170, plus shipping?
Your gonna have to learn how to fix it yourself sooner or later, if you plan on owning it for more than 6 months, and that $170 would be much better in your pocket for when that does happen, and trust me, it will. Even the arcade machine breaks down once in a while. |
| Quote: | Ooooo, how erotic.
Cobaltflux is a buisiness. They want your money.
For some reason, you people think they're gods. Those pads arent perfect, not by any means. |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 21. Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Housemaster wrote: |
Yes you do. You have 8 warning points, a bunch of locked threads, and always make stupid comments. That's a bad reputation.
As for my friend getting the BNS pad, he ordered it in September this year.
Who knows, maybe he did get the old pad. And if he did, that proves how BNS can't get anything right. If it was the new pad, that proves how a lot of them are defective.
Also, I found a thread from another guy on this forum. Search thread titles in this forum for BNS, you'll find a review from a guy who got it and said it sucked because it broke after a week of working great. |
Whatever.
Right now, its my word against yours.
We'll let fr0zenxer settle this.
If he says its sh*t, then Im wrong.
If he says its good (no broken arrows, metal contacts), then you own me an apology |
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diabloslayer469
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| 22. Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cryptoddrfweak wrote: | | Housemaster wrote: |
Yes you do. You have 8 warning points, a bunch of locked threads, and always make stupid comments. That's a bad reputation.
As for my friend getting the BNS pad, he ordered it in September this year.
Who knows, maybe he did get the old pad. And if he did, that proves how BNS can't get anything right. If it was the new pad, that proves how a lot of them are defective.
Also, I found a thread from another guy on this forum. Search thread titles in this forum for BNS, you'll find a review from a guy who got it and said it sucked because it broke after a week of working great. |
Whatever.
Right now, its my word against yours.
We'll let fr0zenxer settle this.
If he says its sh*t, then Im wrong.
If he says its good (no broken arrows, metal contacts), then you own me an apology |
can you take some pics?
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Mikeweiser
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| 23. Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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| cryptoddrfweak wrote: |
whatever.
Right now, its my word against yours.
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How about the fact that there isn't a single cobalt flux employee... erm, I mean fanatic that has 8 warning points for questionable content? |
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CourtJester
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| 24. Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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When I first got my cf's I fried SEVEN c boxes...and EVERY single time I had a new one within a week(customer service always got back to me within 24 hours). Cf charges 30$ for a cbox after warranty...that is 210$ give or take...trust me....the warranty is worth it.
I've had my cf's for TEN months now. And outside of the cbox issues (I have not fried one since they fixed the probelm months ago) there is nothing to complain about.
If you take care of them (occasional cleaning and re-bowing of the metal. Takes about 20 minutes per pad every other month or so) they WILL take care of you.
Like ferris Bueller said "If you have the means I highly recommend one...(or two)"
I have pics if anyone wants to see...IM me |
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fr0zenxer0
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| 25. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Warranty, Exchange & Refund
Defective items may be returned for refund or replacement within 30 days of Purchase. (Please note that a 15% restocking charge might be apply)
All products must be returned in original condition including packaging, documentation, manuals, and accessories.
Certain hardware items and all custom/special orders may only be returned for exchange if defective.
All returns must be shipped freight prepaid.
Software and consumables can only be returned in original factory sealed cartons. (We do no accept any returns on on open packaged software)
Any returns found to be non-defective are subject to a restocking fee of 15%, and all non product related fees (shipping, transaction, payment processing, and insurance) are not refundable.
Warranty on microprocessors and memory modules that have been mishandled or damaged are voided. Only those items that are determined to be free from damage will be exchanged or refunded
Warranty does not apply to physical damages.
Merchandise can be returned for the same item or something else. If you are exchanging for item(s) of lesser value, a refund in the amount of the difference will be issued. If you are exchanging for item(s) of greater value, we will contact you to arrange for the additional payment. All parts must be returned for exchanges
I dont get it........If a arrow becomes ghost or stuck isnt that considered a DEFECT and not Physical damage? Maybe something else happened to people who tried to return it. All i'm saying is that if the pad feels flimsy and crappy like the CG pad, im asking for a refund. Cg pads are the worst. They felt unsafe and they felt as if they were going to break at any given moment. If i do get a refund ill go get a RO.
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CourtJester
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| 26. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Frozen-Yes it SHOULD be considered a defect, but they consider it otherwise. The" Warranty does not apply to physical damages" fine print is BNS's way of saying buy at your own risk. This way they can sell you pads and not cover them under normal use. Rather a shady practice don't you think? So what we have here more or less is a company that will take your money, but not stand behind what they are selling you. |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 27. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Housemaster wrote: |
Here's a sample of his bullshit:
| Quote: | UM HELLOOOOOOOOO! it only costs 130.00.
That means your precious warranty, which most never use anyway because it is a quality pad, is costing you 170.00. F*CK THAT!
I could buy 2 BNS' for the price of one cobalt, then have change left over to call you up long distance and laugh at you for wasting that much money.
Its the same pad, the only difference is that cobalt is handmade, so it costs more.
plus, cobalt flux is made with........wait for it.......... WOOD!
Ya! thats what I want. A metal dance pad with wood inside.
This is a classic case of hand-made verses assembly line. Your paying for the extra work put into the pad, which should not be confused with quality.
Btw, how many of you actually used your $170.00 warrany? |
| Quote: | Ohh ya? Then what do you do when your pad breaks eight months from the time you purchased it? Cry?
That $170 you threw away for the "sacred" warranty is enough to buy every single piece of material the CF is made of. Its just like car insurance, a big f*ckin rip-off. Even if you do use it, is that broken panel or broken wire really worth $170, plus shipping?
Your gonna have to learn how to fix it yourself sooner or later, if you plan on owning it for more than 6 months, and that $170 would be much better in your pocket for when that does happen, and trust me, it will. Even the arcade machine breaks down once in a while. |
| Quote: | Ooooo, how erotic.
Cobaltflux is a buisiness. They want your money.
For some reason, you people think they're gods. Those pads arent perfect, not by any means. |
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And I still proudly stand by everything I said. Im not embarressed at all by it. Like I said, talk to frozen after he gets his pad. |
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JB4GDI
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| 28. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:40 am Post subject: |
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CF and RO pads aren't perfect.
They're just better than everything out there now. My friend has had some major issues with the BnS crap pads before. They aren't worth bothering with. There's even a stack of broken ones down at a used game shop in a city over. Just pityful.
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 29. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| CourtJester wrote: | | Frozen-Yes it SHOULD be considered a defect, but they consider it otherwise. The" Warranty does not apply to physical damages" fine print is BNS's way of saying buy at your own risk. This way they can sell you pads and not cover them under normal use. Rather a shady practice don't you think? So what we have here more or less is a company that will take your money, but not stand behind what they are selling you. |
Cobaltflux charges you over $170.00 for their warranty.
I modded my old BNS to perform just like cobalt and look just like the arcade. (I installed sheet metal contacts myself)
Sure, things go wrong with it once in a while, but its sooooooo easy to fix.
Every problem I've had so far was my own fault and took about 5 minutes and 0 dollars to correct.
That's my OLD BNS.
With this new one, theres no need to mod because its already done for you, AND you get the poly panels too.
So if you want to spend 170 for someone to do something as easy as resolder a wire for you, go ahead.
I think Ill keep my money and get a decent pad also. |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 30. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| JB4GDI wrote: | CF and RO pads aren't perfect.
They're just better than everything out there now. My friend has had some major issues with the BnS crap pads before. They aren't worth bothering with. There's even a stack of broken ones down at a used game shop in a city over. Just pityful.
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RO? you mean the pads that use acrylic?
CF? You mean the pads that cost over $300.00 each?
Who's your "friend"? do you have pics?
Does anyone else notice that its always someone's "friend" and not the person himself?
Interesting.... |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 31. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| fr0zenxer0 wrote: |
I dont get it........If a arrow becomes ghost or stuck isnt that considered a DEFECT and not Physical damage? Maybe something else happened to people who tried to return it. All i'm saying is that if the pad feels flimsy and crappy like the CG pad, im asking for a refund. Cg pads are the worst. They felt unsafe and they felt as if they were going to break at any given moment. If i do get a refund ill go get a RO. |
Its not flimsy, its all metal.
BNS Arrows will not ghost or stick.
That was a problem with tin foil contacts.
The foil would wear down and fall onto the curcuit board which was an awful design, and permanently complete the curcuit.
Sheet metal DOES NOT wear down.
When you get your pad, open it up and see for yourself.
Its simply 2 pieces of sheet metal that touch each other when you step on the arrow. Exactly like CF. |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 32. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Mikeweiser wrote: |
How about the fact that there isn't a single cobalt flux employee... erm, I mean fanatic that has 8 warning points for questionable content? |
 Im sorry, I totally missed that joke.
anyway, just because I talk a lot of sh*t doesnt mean I'm wrong.
Ya, I have a big mouth, but Im rightfully cocky, because BNS is soo kick azz. |
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CourtJester
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| 33. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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How can you know how much Cf charges for their warranty? Your assuming. You don't know what they charge because you don't know what it costs them to build a Cf pad.
You are the only person on these boards supporting these pads. With each post you make in this thread you are repeating yourself, think about what you are going to post before you do so.
If are trying to get people to buy BNS pads you really are going about it all wrong, your doing them more harm then good. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do business with them after reading your posts, I certainly wouldn't. |
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cryptoddrfweak
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| 34. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| CourtJester wrote: | | How can you know how much Cf charges for their warranty? Your assuming. You don't know what they charge because you don't know what it costs them to build a Cf pad. |
How do I know? I know that it doesnt cost 300 + for all those materials.
People build their own pads for around 120-130.
| CourtJester wrote: | | You are the only person on these boards supporting these pads. With each post you make in this thread you are repeating yourself, think about what you are going to post before you do so. |
Im the only person who owns this pad.
So what if I repeat myself. Its all true.
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If are trying to get people to buy BNS pads you really are going about it all wrong, your doing them more harm then good. I can't imagine anyone wanting to do business with them after reading your posts, I certainly wouldn't. |
I dont care who buys it. I just want people to know that theres a cheap, kick azz metal pad out there thats being over looked.
I dont want people to get screwed like I did with those hard plastic pads |
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diabloslayer469
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| 35. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| cryptoddrfweak wrote: | | Housemaster wrote: |
Yes you do. You have 8 warning points, a bunch of locked threads, and always make stupid comments. That's a bad reputation.
As for my friend getting the BNS pad, he ordered it in September this year.
Who knows, maybe he did get the old pad. And if he did, that proves how BNS can't get anything right. If it was the new pad, that proves how a lot of them are defective.
Also, I found a thread from another guy on this forum. Search thread titles in this forum for BNS, you'll find a review from a guy who got it and said it sucked because it broke after a week of working great. |
Whatever.
Right now, its my word against yours.
We'll let fr0zenxer settle this.
If he says its sh*t, then Im wrong.
If he says its good (no broken arrows, metal contacts), then you own me an apology |
can you take some pics?
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diabloslayer469
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| 36. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| cryptoddrfweak wrote: |
RO? you mean the pads that use acrylic? |
Where the hell does it say that the new RO pad uses acrylic? It says they use polycarbonate! http://www.redoctane.com/redoctanemetalpad.html
P.S. Can you take some pictures of the pad? I really would like to see some actual pictures of this new pad, but nobody seems to be able to take some, not even buynshop. They just have several different looking pictures of different pads, why can't they just take one accurate picture of their new pad?
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ddartistic
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| 37. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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My B-day is about three weeks away and I was stuck between a BNS metal pad or a Redoctane metal pad...this argument about BNS being good or not makes me want some pictures to see what the BNS pad actually looks like. I need a video of the pad in action, or some pics of the pad!
-Schuyler |
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Housemaster
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| 38. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cryptoddrfweak wrote: | | RO? you mean the pads that use acrylic? |
| RedOctane.com wrote: | Features:
* Heavy duty one-piece metal frame for durability
* Extended platform base for increased stability
* Shatter-proof polycarbonate and stainless steel surface for an arcade look and feel
* EVA foam base (non-slip bottom) to help prevent the pad from slipping
* Advanced wiring for maximum sensitivity
* Corner brackets that prevent sharp exposed edges
* No assembly required
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Dumba$s. |
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Housemaster
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| 39. Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| imhavinghealingvisions wrote: | | My B-day is about three weeks away and I was stuck between a BNS metal pad or a Redoctane metal pad...this argument about BNS being good or not makes me want some pictures to see what the BNS pad actually looks like. I need a video of the pad in action, or some pics of the pad! |
I'd get the RO. Not because "BNS SUXX IT"S GHEY", because RO has a great reputation. I have heard of BNS pads breaking, my friend got one and it did, but I have not heard of a RO pad breaking.
I have never in any way slammed BNS, I have just had a bad experience, and heard of bad experiences, while I have not with RO, and I can verify that my RO pad is great. I also think crypto is a raging idiot.
Have fun getting pics of the BNS. The ones on their site are Photoshopped, and crypto refuses to post pics. Maybe frozenxero will post some. |
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