KCET, Drop Out, and EotC - Catas?

[Team BM is DDR] Stef · Trick Member Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Location: w007stah, MA

On the older (pre-MAX) mixes, I've noticed there's three 8-foot songs that were changed to catas on MAX2:

1. Drop Out - It's not really that difficult, most people at the 8 foot level should be able to jump that fast if they do crossovers correctly. The "hard part" near the end with all the sixteenth notes is just hard to stay at the right speed and not go too fast for, and you can kind of half-ass that because the whole middle of the song is insanely easy.

2. PARANOiA KCET - Um...it's just kind of a normal 8. Nothing special - what was Konami thinking making this a 9?!

3. End Of The Century - Definately one of the hardest 8-footers, but not a cata. I actually screamed "YOU LIE!!!" at the MAX2 machine when I saw this

Um, so what does everyone else think about this? Should they count as catas or 8-foot songs?

And did I forget any? I'm pretty sure those are the only 3...excluding Burnin' The Floor of course

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Drop Out - 8
KCET - 8
EotC - 9
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[Team B+E is DDR] Lisa · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject:

The way I see it, if the screen says 9 feet it's a cata

So if you beat DROPOUT on an older mix, you wouldn't count it as a cata obviously, but now with newer mix, you would. I don't recall KCET ever being mentioned as less than a cata. EotC is DEFINITELY hard enough to be a cata, if they say it is a cata it is. I mean, Sweet Sweet Love Magic is a fairly easy cata... Tsugarus not so hard... aww hell, let's call them 8s!!

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Andre Segarra · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:51 pm Post subject:

Same thought here....Drop Out and KCET should be 8s (they are REALLY easy now that I can do most 9s), but I think EotC should be a 9.

There's more than one part in this song that I can see people messing up on. (I naturally double-step instead of turn) I tried turning on EotC 'cause I was like "there's no way I'm supposed to do it like this...I'm hitting all of the arrows, but this must look clumsy as hell." So I tried to find turns, and....that wasn't too much fun. Also, it's really easy to "F" up the part with the step-step-jump part (the one that reminds people of WakaLaka).

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[Team B+E is DDR] Lisa · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 6:41 pm Post subject:

It is, in it's own special way! Come on it's like Naokis favourite song he wrote besides B4U, and the only cata he got out of THAT was B4U GLORIOUS STYLE (Ironically, which you can neither spell nor pass

) So can't we count BURNIN' THE FLOOR as a cata? For Naoki?

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[Team B+E is DDR] Lisa · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2003 7:04 pm Post subject:

I know, I just think it should count alright! *Points to sig* See how he's kinda looking spacey? He's thinking "Why do I get no respect... they all like ZZ better than me..." and then his evil alter ego ZZ took over him and he went insane and killed Slake. Oh wait, that would be GOOD

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Cowman715 · Trick Member Joined: 21 Jan 2003

I think that:
Paranoia KCET should really be an 8... theres nothing hard about it at all. I was the first to notice (out of a few of my friends) to notice the change and I thought Hey new steps... but... they were the same....
Drop Out could be in the middle. If they make it a 9 I could see it as a 9, if they make it as an 8, I can see it at an 8
EotC was an 8 on 3rd mix and I believe was changed right after that mix to a 9, that song I really think should be a 9 with the insian all double stepping song. To think it was an 8 on 3rd lol

Yup thats all... ill go back and hide in my little corner
*hides in little corner*

Edit: Guess I brought the topic back.... on topic

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[Team BM is DDR] Stef · Trick Member Joined: 08 Jan 2003 Location: w007stah, MA

This is getting a little off topic...

Well, Slake doesn't appear to have any catas, so Naoki won't die of jelousy at least. (What DID he write that isn't I'M FOR REAL or 22DUNK?)

And, er, Drop Out is so not a cata! *on topic*

EDIT: Yay! Somebody else posted! I just think there was some logical reaon why they were all 8's at first. Konami shouldn't change their minds like that...if they REALLY think it's a cata, make it one in the beginning. If at first, they didn't think it was a cata, shouldn't it just stay that way? Or am I making no sence?

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GD-Man · Trick Member Joined: 01 Jul 2002

One thing people might overlook is that sometimes songs are over/underrated.

As the debate always comes up, I still think Witch Doctor should have been a 9. Same with EotC, it's hard enough to pass it for some people, but getting a AA is pretty tough. I don't average less than 30-40 greats on that song, and I normally have pretty good PA. Also, Gradiusic Cyber was labeled as an 8 on 3rd Mix (PSX). Does that mean it's an 8? Uh... I think not. The song is one of the hardest 9s to do well on. As far as I can see, all off the first three Paranoias were 8s, all along. They've always been pretty tough songs, but KCET isn't harder than Evolution, and that's an 8.
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Jaunty Ravyn of TLF · Trick Member Joined: 10 Sep 2002 Location: FW, TX

Emiko -

You say that if Konami wants a song to be a cata, then they should label it as such. What about Crash? On whatever Euromix on which it initially appeared, it was a 9, and yet on Extreme, it's an 8. So is it an 8 or a 9?
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なおれ ~Let's Go 大仏 Mix~ · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:49 am Post subject:

Witch Doctor makes me cry...

Konami should be more meticulous with their difficulty ratings, maybe getting opinions from actual players.
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Mysterio · Trick Member Joined: 20 Nov 2002 Location: Aiken, SC

Witch Doctor is one of the only songs I have trouble with (that and So Deep, and the 10 footers). That should be a nine.

But that is not what this is about. What is the issue is Drop Out, etc.

First, Paranoia Clean Mix is the easiest Paranoia. If it had another 50 or so steps, I could see it being a 9, but seeing how it dosen't...yeah. And the steps that are there are not difficult at all, save maybe the stomping sections.

Drop Out. This was the third to last cata I could pass (well after I passed So Deep, Cartoon Heroes, etc.) so I defently feel it should be a nine. Those wicked jumps took me forever to get down pat. And the one-two-three 8th's and that crazy long chain at the end are no joke either.

EotC. Same speed as Waka Laka, with some of the step-jump-step-jump chains as Waka Laka, but with the added difficulty of almost constant double steping. 9 material, for sure (also among the last cata's I could pass).
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Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

Let me answer the question in my opinion.

Paranoia KCET = Probably should be an 8 footer. It's not much harder than the original Paranoia.

Drop Out = Think of songs like Stay and V (challenge) with 16th note runs. Those are rated 9, and I think that is a good rating for them. Drop Out has the same type of runs, double the bpm and half the note.

End of the Century = It's hard, no question that it should be a 9 foot song.
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[Do V] muffin · Trick Member Joined: 16 May 2003 Location: New Britain, CT

Drop Out absolutely deserves to be a 9, there is no way it should be an 8.

I can pass all 8s in Max2 and Extreme except for MaxX Unlimited Standard, and I have passed 80% of the 9s (48 out of 60). Drop Out is one of the ones that I can't pass, and I have passed Captain Jack, Leading Cyber, Orion 78 Civ Mix, Burning Heat. I won't even try Drop Out for a while, because I know that if I made it through the jumping part, I would die at the end (8th note streams).

Paranoia KCET? I think most people agree that it should be an 8. It was the first 9 that I passed.

End of the Century? I passed it with a B on my first try. I'd say it's an easy 9.

So my opinion:

Drop Out: Hard 9
Paranoia KCET: Medium 8
EOTC: Easy 9.

Remy · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Astoria, NY

Slightly off-topic:

bemaniboi · Trick Member Joined: 09 Sep 2003 Location: Salinas

It doesnt really make sense

Drop out on nonstp megamix is a cata but its easier
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