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Andy the happy mod-man
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20.  Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm running the latest version of DJmain - although I currently only have the Complete Mix CHDs and ROM. Still D/Ling 6th Mix right now.
Here's my computer:
AMD Athlon XP 1800+
320mb 100mhz SDRAM
PNY Verto GeForce 2 MX400
All running on a Biostar M7VKQ motherboard (this is my own built setup, btw)
Runs just fine, almost arcade-perfect.
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LOKI
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| 21. Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2003 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| N.N.T. Barton ~IIDX '1080 wrote: | | well sence Beatmania is now Emulatable and discussion of CHD obtaining is not talked about(btw ever hear of HIPHOPMANIA? aperently someone has a CHD for that) any ways who has an emu working and can you tell me how good it is? what system your running it on. i have never palyed beatmania T_T |
Actually Hiphopmania Complete runs of the same chd as Beatmania Complete mix. Same CHD differant rom.
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Andy the happy mod-man
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| 22. Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:51 am Post subject: |
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| GD-Man wrote: |
Bemani DJ hardware (the most primitive Bemani hardware) |
I disagree. I'd say the most primitive Bemani hardware is the original Pop'n Music, and even some of the later Pop'n games up to 5. I mean, at least Beatmania had movies of some sorta (not FMVs, mind you, but at least it had some kind of power to be able to play the animated pictures at a decent rate). But Pop'n is pretty much strictly playing. All you really have are two characters with VERY little animation (talking about the earlier Pop'n games).
If you took out the music, the graphics in the first few Pop'n games probably could have been done on the GBA if not the SNES. And those have both been emulated almost perfectly now. So I'd say if there's any Bemani hardware which should have been emulated all along because of its primitiveness, I'd say it's the earlier Pop'n games.
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davidbrit2
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| 23. Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Well, we're talking about the simplicity of the hardware that was used, not the simplicity of the hardware it could have been run on. I think PNM runs on similar hardware to Beatmania, but I don't really have any good hard facts to verify that. Tech info for non-DDR hardware Bemani games seems to be quite thin.
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LOKI
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| 24. Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:26 am Post subject: |
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POP N MUSIC 1-3 all run off the same hardware as beatmania. So those will be emulatable soon as well.
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| 25. Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Andy=~猫~ wrote: | | GD-Man wrote: |
Bemani DJ hardware (the most primitive Bemani hardware) |
I disagree. I'd say the most primitive Bemani hardware is the original Pop'n Music, and even some of the later Pop'n games up to 5. I mean, at least Beatmania had movies of some sorta (not FMVs, mind you, but at least it had some kind of power to be able to play the animated pictures at a decent rate). But Pop'n is pretty much strictly playing. All you really have are two characters with VERY little animation (talking about the earlier Pop'n games).
If you took out the music, the graphics in the first few Pop'n games probably could have been done on the GBA if not the SNES. And those have both been emulated almost perfectly now. So I'd say if there's any Bemani hardware which should have been emulated all along because of its primitiveness, I'd say it's the earlier Pop'n games. |
First of all, Bemani DJ Hardware (if you examine it on System16.com) is the most primitive hardware of the Bemani games, consisting of all the BM 5 Keys, Pop'n 1-3, and a few other derivatives. Secondly, how simple a game is has nothing to do with how complex a hardware is. The PSX is a relatively simple hardware, and it can be run fullspeed with little CPU power (considering what's available these days). Bemani DJ Hardware is run off of an old engine which I'm not aware of, while the next one up is a PSX hardware (DDRs and such).
By the way, just because one thing may seem one way to you doesn't mean it's true. The GBA seems to be about the same level as the SNES, but it requires a lot more processing power to run a GBA emulator at fullspeed. The same story with PSX/Saturn. I don't think there's a Saturn emulator out there today that runs any game at 60 fps, while PSX emus have been fine for about 3-4 years now.
As far as I know from the website (the japanese one), all of the Bemani DJ hardware games HAVE been emulated... once you emulate a hardware, the only thing left to do is deal with protection on individual games... CPS2 comes to mind -_-... now that's a chapter of emulation I'm glad is over.
If you want to be completely honest, a prelminary version of a Beatmania type game could have been possible as far back as the NES. All you need for Beatmania type games is a smooth scroll rate, which the NES provided, and how hard would it be to coordinate boops and clicks with button presses? Exactly.
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Tortuous Enigma
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| 26. Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2003 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Enlight of this news and other news of M.A.M.E and other arcade games being emulated, I've also known that those with a DC (Dreamcast for short), it is also been possible of playing emulated systems ex. NES, SNES, GBA, GB, GBC, SMS, Gensis, M.A.M.E and other's.
With news like that this and knowing eventually someone is going to figure out how to emulate other Bemani games, with said new emulator mentioned before, its starting to seem like there may/might be a reason (once things are figured out and if someone decides to try this).....for some DC owners to dust off their old DC's and get back into playing it once more.
Only reason I'm bringing this up (and hopefully making any sense), is because the DC runs off of I believe Windows CE...or something along those lines. But of course it also means people with X-Box may get a chance to see some of this emulated action on their own console (if someone is able to figure everything out).
Ok, point is.........this is probably going to cut into money Konami would make from selling the game(s) big time if it becomes possible. And with seeing how computers are getting more powerful as far as processing speeds go, amount of HD space that's is possible to have, memory and etc that goes into a PC, then with High Speed internet via cable modem, DSL, satellite, T1 or T3......then DVD-R's.....
....well, you do the math. It's bad enough arcades are dying as it is and with people able to rip of the greatest thing that's bring people back into the arcade's, it's going to be really harsh for the arcades and Konami....not to mention probably a few others are going to be affected as well.
I think it'd rather suck for something new to come out and then you goto the arcade and hear people say "Well I already have this and it's great. I don't see why it's taking (name of arcade) so long to get it, but there's no reason for me to play it here." or "Hey, think you can make me a copy of (whatever Bemani game that's been emulated)?"
It's a cool idea and grant it, it's being done and completed or so it seems.......but it also sucks in a major way.
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N.N.T. Barton '1080 ~IIDX
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| 27. Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:35 am Post subject: |
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i supose you could look at it that way. but beatmania hasent been officaly in the US for a while. and in the Pasific North West its nonexistent. i dont se emulation of Beatmania 1st - final effecting Konami of Japan in any way. and sence no local arcades where i live had beatmania i can only asume that downloading and emulating beatmania is not going to hurt the sails of the game. not to mention the difficulty level of the game. if you dont pratice how can you not get better?
i guess it boils down to what your personal views on emulation and lagistics are or arnt. for me i emulate only what i cant import or play. and what i can buy i emulate first to see if its worth buying then i buy it. even if its expensive to import. (like the outragious price japanvideogames.com for IIDX and DDR PS2 / PSX mixes)
but for the life of me i cant find a single CHD for download. i think i am going to give up and stop having dreams of Beatmania and stick to the local over abundence of 8th mix's
i miss 3rd mix T_T
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rampage
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| 28. Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Let's stop talking about downloading ROMs for MAME now, k? |
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davidbrit2
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| 29. Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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BUT HOW AM I GOING TO GET METAL SLUG 4???? AUUGHHH
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N.N.T. Barton '1080 ~IIDX
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| 30. Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:46 am Post subject: |
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ok i finaly got evorything the Unicow.dll for win9X and the roms and evorything. i try and run it and it tells me...
D:\BeatmaniaSIM>djmain bm4thmix
847jaa01.6a NOT FOUND
847jaa02.8a NOT FOUND
847jaa03.19a NOT FOUND
847jaa04.20a NOT FOUND
847jaa05.22a NOT FOUND
847jaa06.24a NOT FOUND
847jab07.22d NOT FOUND
847jab08.23d NOT FOUND
847jab09.25d NOT FOUND
847jab10.27d NOT FOUND
847jaa11.chd NOT FOUND
ERROR: required files are missing, the game cannot be run.
but i have all of those files in my D:\BeatmaniaSIM\bm4thmix\ dir? so what am i doing wrong? can someone help?
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Dross
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| 31. Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| The djmain download link doesn't work for me. |
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| 32. Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| N.N.T. Barton ~IIDX '1080 wrote: | ok i finaly got evorything the Unicow.dll for win9X and the roms and evorything. i try and run it and it tells me...
D:\BeatmaniaSIM>djmain bm4thmix
847jaa11.chd NOT FOUND
ERROR: required files are missing, the game cannot be run.
but i have all of those files in my D:\BeatmaniaSIM\bm4thmix\ dir? so what am i doing wrong? can someone help? |
Your chd's need to be in
D:\BeatmaniaSIM\roms\bm4thmix\
Your rom needs to be in
D:\BeatmaniaSIM\roms\
You run from here:
D:\BeatmaniaSIM\ |
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Milza
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| 33. Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Where can I get djmain? I've looked everywhere but can't find it, and the link earlier in this thread is dead... |
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LOKI
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| 34. Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: |
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MAME v0.74u1でdjmainドライバ(09/05)が正式対応されました。
(0.74u1での対応ゲームはComp1,Comp2,COREのみ)
It looks like DJMAIN is now included in the latest mame release. At least support for Complete Mix 1 & 2, and Core Remix.
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N.N.T. Barton '1080 ~IIDX
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| 35. Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:38 am Post subject: |
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ok it works now, kind of the logo to 4th mix is trimed off... oh whate no its supose to be that way. ya emulater works AWSOME in win 98SE. but with 4th mix you ony get 20some odd songs for 700 megs... guess compresion isnt used...
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