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80. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

www.graffe.com

A site I frequent quite often, IP permabans serious offenders. We haven't had serious jihading or spamming in a long time. Maybe this should be looked into here.
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81. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll point this out now:

Any evidence that Phrekwenci is a bad mod that is recent does not exist in the Recycle Bin (our name for the forum that we move, NOT DELETE, certain threads).

First off, the threads that are in there that are locked were not locked by Phrekwenci. I see one from Remy and one from Jim the Fly.

Second, the fact that some of these threads are in the Recycle Bin shows that whoever moved them there is doing their job. We don't want your entire first page to be a bunch of crap locked threads (of course, if those threads weren't made they wouldn't have to be locked) and so we move some of them. We don't want to delete them because we want to have evidence that we can use to show that someone did break the rules.

The point is, we aren't "hiding" evidence from you just so we can make a point. And by the way, just because we ask for evidence that Phrekwenci is a bad mod doesn't mean we want evidence from the past week. You can give us any evidence you can find. If he locked a thread from two months ago that shouldn't have been locked, feel free to post it.

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A site I frequent quite often, IP permabans serious offenders. We haven't had serious jihading or spamming in a long time. Maybe this should be looked into here


We do IP bans. The problem arises when we would have to ban certain people who are good people as well. For example, I've had to IP ban a range before to get rid of someone. It ended up banning a few other people. Later that day I had to remove the entire IP ban because it is not fair to those who did nothing wrong to be banned because of one person. Thankfully the person did not return.

When we can IP ban without taking out other people, we do.
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82. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IguanaGrrl wrote:
The only threads that were moved out of New York were the ones from yesterday's annoyance.


And I was working all day that day, so none of them will have any posting of mine in there, nor could I have moved them there.
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83. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also they're some members that have been here and posting here for 2 years and were well behaived and such. Until with this Phrek issue, we made the sacrfice to do what is needed. Flame, spam, whatever you call it. We just didn't agree how he was taking advantage of the rules his own way. Doing his Job or not, it's still him running the show on that forum. When he was just a regular member, there were no problems. It seems people build up their ego because they're a mod and have more options and etc. Whatever.
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84. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phrekwenci wrote:
IguanaGrrl wrote:
The only threads that were moved out of New York were the ones from yesterday's annoyance.


And I was working all day that day, so none of them will have any posting of mine in there, nor could I have moved them there.


Indeed, none of them have Phrekwenci posting in them. If you guys really don't believe us on this I'd be happy to take a screenshot a little bit later.
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85. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm the one who moved them. E10.gif
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86. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inebriated Uncle (Zeal) wrote:
Fireboma: I wouldn't be so quick to label upstate players as "phrekwenci-haters." If you look at what is remaining in the NY forum, the last seven (approximately) topics regarding phrekwenci haven't been from upstate players (1 or 2 more were deleted). The Phrekwenci impersonation thread (found on page 2)--not from upstate and not started from an upstate player. I'm not saying that upstate players haven't started topics regarding the issue though, but we, as a whole, should not receive the complete blame either.
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Oops, sorry to stereotype so quickly. it seemed like a bunch of people from Albany started it all because he locked their CSA after-party threads.

I REALLY was looking forward to go to the NY board today to see it unlocked, but it seems like this is going to be like the Cuban Missile Crisis, except all the missiles have already been launched. I hope this clears up soon, even if our new dictators of the forum so to speak are Iguana Grrl and Spike. As long as they leave alone the NRC Thread, the only relevant thread left up there before the lock. People tend to forget that the regional boards are for talking about your local arcade and such, not who can create more Phrekwenci-Hating threads per second. Oh BTW thanks for the compliment ExQlusiv.

Once again, please feed the dying threads, won't you Mods?
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87. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spike wrote:
Also, the New York boards will remain locked until Wednesday. If it seems to us that you have not changed your attitude yet, then it will remain locked. When it becomes unlocked, I will be keeping a very close eye on it for a period of time. If I feel that it needs to be locked again, it will be. I will also most likely be more strict than Phrekwenci. Lucky you.


IguanaGrrl wrote:

As for New York, the timeline for the forum being locked was voted on by the entire moderating team.


Before you make judgments on things, you might want to actually READ what's been stated in the thread, Fireboma.
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88. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay guys, I have a solution to the problem. Let's all STFU about the NY drama. Really guys I mean, come on. There is no need to continue this whining and moaning. REALLY, how old are we all? Most of us on the NY forum are between 15-20. Let's be mature about the situation.

I totally 100% agree with the mods on this issue

Phrek, and NYSG are not just "locking threads for the hell of it". They are doing their job. If you don't like it? well, go to http://www.onistyles.com it's a forum for NY and NJ. The mods aren't as strict there, and you can basically do whatever you want. But...not on DDRFREAK there are rules and regulations to follow. Why should they change their rules for 5 or 6 whiny 15 or 16 year olds. Someone explain this to me. Are they going to lose their 10,000 users because of 5 or 6 people? No. What if they did change the rules and the people who enjoyed the safe secure boards got irrate. They could lose more then 5 or 6 people. You know what? If a thread what created about a person, let's say for instance, Jenembal. And we all postwhored and made fun of you? What would you do? whine? Complain? Yeah, that's right. And then the thread would be locked. Why do you think just because someone creates a thread about a mod it's going to be any different? Or if someone creates a thread about stupid pointless stuff that clutters up the actual content. Yeah...

Just stop the bitching. I know you're all better then this.

If you don't stop complaining, the NY forum will never be unlocked.

SO....SUCK IT UP AND FOLLOW the rules...http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/faq.php
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89. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IguanaGrrl wrote:
Spike wrote:
Also, the New York boards will remain locked until Wednesday. If it seems to us that you have not changed your attitude yet, then it will remain locked. When it becomes unlocked, I will be keeping a very close eye on it for a period of time. If I feel that it needs to be locked again, it will be. I will also most likely be more strict than Phrekwenci. Lucky you.


IguanaGrrl wrote:

As for New York, the timeline for the forum being locked was voted on by the entire moderating team.


Before you make judgments on things, you might want to actually READ what's been stated in the thread, Fireboma.


Ouch.

Sorry, i didn't read Spike's post. I'm looking forward to then though


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90. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From reading all this, I noticed one thing that's still missing:

There are no evidence that was presented to show that Phrekwenci is a bad mod.

Maybe some examples, but it was not backed with an evidence which made the statement to be false, just to quote Remy:

Remy wrote:
Jenembal, your example would be fine if it actually was true.

But I just went through 10 pages of the NY board and saw these three "I'm new" threads:

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72912
Not locked.

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72192
Locked by nys.

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=70292
Not only was this not locked, but Phrek personally welcomed the guy.

Again, if you want to pick out threads where he's actually doing something wrong, please, show us. But there's no need to make up fake examples that paint things the exact opposite of how they really happen.


Everything that all of you "haters" said is just based on your own selfishness about having a mod that is "popular and loved".

So what if you guys get a new mod? Is it a guarantee that you will stop being a menace? What if the new mod later changes into somebody harsher than Spike on modding forums? Are you going to whine and beg for another "popular and loved" mod too?

What is it about Phrekwenci that you don't like?
That he follows the rule?
What did he do exactly?

So I suggest for everybody to shut up until they have found an evidence that could prove that Phrekwenci is a bad mod.

Sketch wrote:
So yea, just shut up and hope they unlock the NY forum soon. And when they do , hope it doesnt say "NY and NJ".
I didn't know you hate NJ. =P
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91. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm, about this whole "everyone should STFU" issue, I really see no point in saying "everyone should shut up" because it just makes more people say such things (I've seen it a couple times already in this thread alone), and some mods even consider that as flamebait. If everyone calms down, follows the rules and not gripe or complain, then there won't be any need to tell anyone to "shut up".
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92. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barcodeplane wrote:
A whole lot of correct things.


Exactly.

The FAQ is the law of DDRFreak. You guys are pretty much asking to break laws so you can have fun. If you go smash a car window then explain to the cops (mods) that it was all in good fun, then guess what, your arrested anyway. Phrekwenci, Iguanagrrl, Spike, Remy etc. just happen to be the "robocops" of this whole situation, which they should be. If they weren't then you would probably still have people browsing around our forum going on and on about how much phrek sucks and anal sex parties. disturb.gif

Anyway, everything I stated above was already said. I just felt like saying it myself.
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sorjai wrote:
hmmm, about this whole "everyone should STFU" issue, I really see no point in saying "everyone should shut up" because it just makes more people say such things (I've seen it a couple times already in this thread alone), and some mods even consider that as flamebait. If everyone calms down, follows the rules and not gripe or complain, then there won't be any need to tell anyone to "shut up".


It's true, I've been warned for saying STFU. disgust.gif
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94. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

barcodeplane wrote:
Phrek, and NYSG are not just "locking threads for the hell of it". They are doing their job. If you don't like it? well, go to http://www.onistyles.com it's a forum for NY and NJ. The mods aren't as strict there, and you can basically do whatever you want.


Yep it's true. Too bad onistyles is closed though due to server problems. But that will change soon hopefully. Gotta love that Inferno forum... lol.
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95. PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rufus wrote:
JinzeroX wrote:
It's obvoiusly here "big bosses of ddrfreak"!! None of this nonsense flamming would've occured if Phrek was the mod, all of this would stop if he just back down back to his regular member status. Otherwise, you're just making more havic on the forums. Seriously, he may be a good person, just not suitable for this non benefit moderating job. Can't you see all of this will end by getting rid of him. Wake up


Thats not fair at all, This site has millions of members.


<nitpick> There are over 30,000 registered users, and I'm sure not even half of them are active.

Don't say that DDRFreak has millions of members</nitpick>
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Deus Ex Machina wrote:
Rufus wrote:
JinzeroX wrote:
It's obvoiusly here "big bosses of ddrfreak"!! None of this nonsense flamming would've occured if Phrek was the mod, all of this would stop if he just back down back to his regular member status. Otherwise, you're just making more havic on the forums. Seriously, he may be a good person, just not suitable for this non benefit moderating job. Can't you see all of this will end by getting rid of him. Wake up


Thats not fair at all, This site has millions of members.


<nitpick> There are over 30,000 registered users, and I'm sure not even half of them are active.

Don't say that DDRFreak has millions of members</nitpick>


A figure of speech. Just trying to point out there are geniune people who are in the crossfire of this nonsense.
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Like you know the people who didn't do anything and just post because they like to share information or type about places to meet up and such.

I can't wait till tomorrow and I hope no one screws it up this time... disgust.gif
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Wow look it's Wednesday and the forums are still locked. E19.gif
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The NY forum was locked. laugh.gif

Having to lock the forum shows that the moderators have failed their job. They have lost control of the content they watch over. This is my opinion but I don't feel I'm alone on this.

Here's some site feedback for ya. I feel the moderators take this forum to serious. I feel the rules are to strict and they feel OT conversation between members is considered "spam" or "useless threads". You would think after awhile we'd get tired of posting how "I saw Joe beat D2R at Chunky's OMG LIEK WHOA!!!11" People like to have fun and post things off-topic. Why have region specific posting if the people in those regions can't talk to eachother on a relaxed level. How are people supposed to meet eachother and build friendships if every mod of this forum feels it's spam. Joke threads are meant to be fun. You would think the mods would foster the idea of fun. Instead it appears this forum is for the sole purpose of DDR and nothing more.

I frequent message boards where the initial purpose of the message board is rarely talked about. The reason for this is that the posters know eachother so well that they talk about anything in their lives and real friendships are made. This can never happen here under the guidlines that are set up. People shouldn't be afriad to post something here just because it might be locked or they might receive points for it. Mods like Phrek and Remy put that fear into posters. That is why people made a big deal when Remy came into the NY forums in a locking frenzy a couple months back. That is why this whole Phrek thing has happened. People were trying to have fun. Phrek enforced this forum's strict rules. A couple members retaliated by bashing Phrek in creative ways. The mods gave up and locked the board.

Why do I say the mods gave up? Well they could have banned the trouble makers. They could have deleted the trouble threads. Instead they locked the forums. This shows that they are only trying to wait out the trouble makers. It looks as if they think the trouble makers will stop posting here altogether if they lock the forum for a week or two. How often can you do this? How often can you push away your regular posters for having too much fun?

I rarely posted in the NY forums. When I first came here I mostly browsed the Home forums (after buying PS2 Max) but that came to a halt after watching Remy. Heaven forbid a nonsticky post go beyond three responses before locking it. You woulnd't want any conversation to take place in a thread just because the initial question was answered. Now it appears the NY forum is also a lost cause. We'll see.
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