The official "NY is locked" thread.

Bowly · Trick Member Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Location: Fishkill

This is honestly one of the most pathetic fights I've ever seen. I've been on the outside looking in on this whole week's happenings... The stupidity of the cross-section of humanity represented in the NY forums has left me speechless... until now.

I've been a board mod for many, many gaming ladders in the past- ognetwork, clan world network, incs-tourney.. as well as a supervisor for the largest gaming ladders in First Person shooters (sans CS). If you came to my forums and posted things like that, you'd be lucky to even have access to the anti-cheat patch servers for multiplayer, let alone access to the forums.

Am I vindicating or endorsing that people be IP banned from ddrfreak? No. I'm simply saying that, through the courtesy and kindness of these mods, that you're lucky some of you are still here. Be glad you really don't have a "nazi" mod... be thankful you have one, though lacking a bit in a sense of humor, that doesn't toss around points and locks like they're cherry blossoms in sakura.

As for getting a new mod, it's not gonna help that much (edit: if any). Cry all you want for someone else, you're not getting it. You have your mods, and in all honesty, phrek's only been handing out locks lately to threads that are completely off point (i.e. "(insert phrase here).. phrekwenci"), what to do after csa threads (that violate laws in some states), and just ridiculous nonsense.

One day, yea, I'd like to mod these forums, but I'm not jumping up and down begging for a new mod and then putting up my campaign flyers... But if I ever were, I'd lock the same threads, for the exact same reasons; granted it might be with a slightly more personable sense of humor, but it'd still be a lock.

I, honestly, would like every one of you that's complaining to do the following things:
1- Read the posting guidelines
2- Go back and read all the locked threads
3- Figure out why they were locked
4- Ask yourself if it was a fair lock
If you can't say that it was to 4, then go back and do step 1 again... I somehow think you'll find reason as to why.

-Jon

(edit pt. 2): I'm more than open to your own comments/feedback to what I have to say.. But I ask that you be civil, as I was in this post.
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Rufus! · Trick Member Joined: 13 Mar 2002

Yep I have been to the NY forum and the first 6 pages of thread are mostly locked topics. Most topics are stupid, insulting flaming, baiting. No doubt by the same person/s that have been banned.

I would say only about 1 or 2 threads that maybe didn't need locking. As mentioned before it is upto the mods personal reference if a topic is needing lockage.
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{SFSA} ChuckerZ · Trick Member Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Location: Albany, Ny

IMO bitching and complaining isn't gonna get our forum back, and we can't start a war for DDRFREAK to change their rules, I say that those ppl who are responisble for making those threads about Phrekwenci should follow DDRFREAK's rules, even phrekwenci made an announcement about the subject. It's really sad when the rest of the country are bashing at us, calling us spoiled (which we are though

) and saying that New Yorkers have to get everything their way.
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sherl0k · Maniac Member Joined: 27 Jan 2002 Location: the internet

the only real solution is for people to wise up and start acting more mature. nothing else will make this problem go away.
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Setzer · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:17 pm Post subject:

Wow, I've never seen so many locks.
They were all deserved too. And why should he be expected to be nice about locking something pointless? Furthermore, why should he be nice when so many locked threads were bashing him?
I'd say you should just get rid of the NY thread entirely and merge it with somewhere else, but that won't stop the people who did that from doing what they were doing. You should probably start banning more people if it's that big of a problem.
Maybe the problem isn't that Phrekwenci is too strict. Maybe he wasn't strict enough. One kid gets banned for flaming people, so people make a thread about that saying he will be back? Skip the points, ban him too.
Maybe Spike should take over the board, if you aren't going to delete it entriely.

Oh, and on a lighter note

Deegan · Trick Member Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Location: Albany, NY

with the way everything is going right now this is not going to stop

and when i ask for a new mod, NO i dont mean, make my friend a mod cause he will let me get away with stuff, why dont you stop assuming things Mr. Moderator. I simply ask for a mod that all of NY state gets along with, I highly doubt the people I mentioned would let others "get away" with stuff. Sketch is a good one, when he posts, he really posts, he doesnt leave a paragraph or a sentance, he leaves a story.

here is an example:

(Phrek being mod)

a newcomer to the forums makes a topic and says:
"Haya i am new to the forums and i would just like to get to know everyone around here, ok peace :-D"

Phrek " uhh yea read the rules *lock* "

now this person thinks he is an buttocks, ok yea so what he broke a rule, hes a fucking newbie leave him alone, i think this is something sketch would do

(Sketch being mod)

a newcomer to the forums makes a topic and says:
"Haya i am new to the forums and i would just like to get to know everyone around here, ok peace :-D"

sketch " Hey, its cool and all that your new here but we do have some rules against making threads like this, so please next time just post in another thread and please read the rules for future referance, thank you

PS. Sorry but i have to lock this"

the newcomer likes this mod and will follow the rules

I guess you can say its like raising a child, and phrek made an agry child and now its grounded (lol)
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{SFSA} ChuckerZ · Trick Member Joined: 06 Jul 2002 Location: Albany, Ny

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Deegan · Trick Member Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Location: Albany, NY

its smart assremarks like that that create locked threads, it starts flame wars, saying i dont know how to spell angry, its call TYPO and not all babys learn when they get punished, want me to explain it more like a family thing?

PA and NYStargate were our parents

Phrek becomes like a step-dad

child hates step dad (like usual)

but if your here to tell people to shut up and stop whining then its not ganna get anywhere, whining is ganna change something, and something needs to be changed
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Remy · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Astoria, NY

Jenembal, your example would be fine if it actually was true.

But I just went through 10 pages of the NY board and saw these three "I'm new" threads:

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72912
Not locked.

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72192
Locked by nys.

http://www.ddrfreak.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=70292
Not only was this not locked, but Phrek personally welcomed the guy.

Again, if you want to pick out threads where he's actually doing something wrong, please, show us. But there's no need to make up fake examples that paint things the exact opposite of how they really happen.
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Deegan · Trick Member Joined: 29 Jun 2002 Location: Albany, NY

i would rather have you as a mod and yes i know how harsh you are, I remember a while back getting into an argument with you about how harsh you are.
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justoneuncle · Trick Member Joined: 27 Aug 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY

I think that the first thing we need here is for non-NYers to stay out of this (normal users to stay out, not mods). By clicking on the NY forum and reading a few threads, an outsider cannot possibly have any clue what is going on or what has gone on. It's no secret that some topics get created in the NY forum for the sole purpose of being locked and this isn't some problem that began over the past week. Prior to Phrek being a mod, these same topics would be locked, no doubt. I'm not trying to argue that Phrekwenci is doing anything wrong, it is just a bit more harsh than we are used to. It seemed that before, warning points were used as a last resort and now they are used as a threat. Without referring to the entire NY forum as being spoiled and immature, sorjai's first post essentially sums up the scenario in my eyes.
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Darkhorse · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2003 9:35 pm Post subject:

Yeah so... not to be a huge ass and all but, can we have our boards back? Yeah I know its out of hand and stuff. And I guess there was some controversy over some of the moderation in our forum. Honestly I have opinions about this stuff, but I'm not going to post them. The facts are these

1- I like to come and post on the DDR freak boards now and then.
2- I can't do that now because the forum is locked
3- Suppose I was a n00b who wanted to find out where some machines were, oh say, in the Rochester area, yeah I could go look at machine locations, but that is usually dated info, now I can't post in NY cause its locked
4- It blows that the whole board has to be locked cause of a few people, honestly I said I wouldn't share any of my opinions but comon doesn't that seem a bit absurd or extreme?
5- Do what you have to do to get the boards cleaned up, by all means, makes it easier for me to find relevant topics, but honestly I don't think locking the boards was the answer, because honestly you've just pissed people off hella more now
6- Lets not make this lock too long now peeps, I think you've made your point and to be honest I think I speak for most of the NY forum when I say I would rather have a board with flames, baiting, trash talk, shit talk, wars, poopy etc. hehehe than have a no boards at all

Peace
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strabo · Trick Member Joined: 21 Apr 2002

Basically, the moral of the story is...

Who do I have to spank to get some peace and quiet around here?? EY BOY?

~{Sketch}~ · Trick Member Joined: 04 Jun 2003

I think we should all shut the fuck up when it comes to the complaining and let them decide what it is they are going to do. Alot of you are just digging the grave deeper by arguing.

1)Spike made it clear. We arent getting a new mod. Let it sink in. We dont need any new mods. Let it sink in.

2)Stop nominating me for one. I never asked to be one. The mods can decide who they want to be a mod when they want that person to be one. NY is fine with Phrek and NYS. What, you think just because i post on DDR freak and i like posting i want to be a mod? The thought hasnt even crossed my mind. Im not even sure if i would accept, it would be something i would think over. Im not a power-driven poster.

3)See on the top of my post where it says shut the fuck up? Im using the phrase again to everyone that keeps on complaining. Why, because Its bad enough that NYC and NY state have to post in the same damn forum. That is part of the reason this happened in the first place. And dont say that thats wrong because you'd just be lying to yourselves and everyone else. Anyway, thats bad enough, but we've learned to deal with it. The very few people i do get along with from upstate (Rahk, Dewey, Nick, etc...) are cool, and actually good friends, but the majority piss us the h3ll off and im sure its the inverse for them. Point being, its bad enough we're all stuck in one forum as it is, but im sure the admins are looking into the possibility of merging us with another state. Or even worse, a region. Its already been brought up in this thread.

4) The more we argue, the more the mods argue. Arguing takes thinking. The more they think, the longer our forum stays locked. We have two tourneys coming up in the next two weeks. (CSA being a huge one.) If everything stays calm, then they will unlock it sooner.

5)Mods, admins, and regular posters should not pay any attention to Jin Zerox. Hmm, i wonder who that could be? The user name was created today (yestarday, its late) so obviously its someone who doesnt like Phrek. The mods have already established hes doing a good job as it is.

6) I want to emphesize to the mods, all of you, that this is the result of a miniscule amount of people (compared the the whole of us) being immature, and when they got punished for it they didnt like it. The voices of people crying for a new mod and that Phrek is doing a bad job is about....id say.....10% of the NY boards. (Just about the same people that messed all this up in the first place.) So that shows how important their opinions are to the majority of us.

Its like a freakin' trend. Im going to make an observation. There seem to be Three types of posters here.
~One type of poster that IM's me with "Are you good in DDR? Whats your best on Xenon? How many AAAs can you get? Wow, you can stealth stoic? OMG, you are the coolest!" make the same dumb @ss posts that get locked. You know what those people are called? Newbs. Right, fuckin' newbs. They dont know anything about the ethics of this site, or the game and dont take the time to learn. Its freakin' tellitubby land in the world of DDR, and when tinky winky gets offended by a locked post, everyone starts crying.
~The second type of poster are the ones who follow the "Nobody likes us, and we dont give a crap." attitude. "We cause problems and the posts get locked. We dont care. Its just a website." Then Phrek is a bad mod for being on the opposite end of the stick. Hence, he gets accused for being one, with no real back-up whatsoever. I find these types of people to be the same ones who suck in DDR and it bothers them so much, but the nonchalant (SP?) attitude acts as an alibi (SP? again).
~The third type of poster is the straight up newb who just comes along and goes with the crowd. I really havent seen many of these, so im just implementing the example for logical symmetry. There seems to be one kid who is from the same region of the people who seem to dislike Phrek the most, but whatever.

So yea, just shut up and hope they unlock the NY forum soon. And when they do , hope it doesnt say "NY and NJ".

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EXQLUSIV!!!! · Trick Member Joined: 04 Nov 2002 Location: Bronx NY

I couldn't agree with u more sketch...

I've been posting for a year in the same thread "DDR in New Roc City"
and it seems that when we have our random arguements, we learn how to get over it by ourselves without the help of the mods.. we know how to keep on track and its funny because the majority of people in the new roc thread are under 16 years of age. Even Fireboma who is like 12, acts more mature than most teenagers who post in this forum

Really this whole thing is about maturity to me. We get a mod who knows how to keep shit together and in check and all of a sudden everybody wants to call him mean and this and that and blah blah blah. Can we get a new mod, can we do this? You all need to shut up because u sound worse then the toddlers in the preschool where i used to work.

If you can't handle how Phrek is straight up, how are most of you gonna get jobs in the future, because no matter where u work or how old u are, your supervisor is not gonna titty feed you. Deal with the fact that DDR freak has rules.. if you don't like the rules, fuck off and go make ur own forum.

I dunno i just felt like sayin a lil sumthin cus its late and i'm bored.
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