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Flux. Trick Member
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20. Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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If everyone is going to argue about the title, you should argue about guitar freaks and beatmania, too since neither is 100% like what thier title implies.
I would guess that many perfer tech becuase it is more of a challege (in certain ways) and easier to gauge progress than if you were to do freestyle. You could never learn beyond basic and do a freestyle, many of us would rather go beyond that and say 'hey, I passed LOM the other day...go me!'. Tech was what the game was really ment for which would also be a reason for why more do it.
As for doubles vs. singles, like stated before: it's just a matter of preference. I am VERY picky about which doubles I play becuase in my opinion, the good to crappy step patterns of double to single are not equal. I just like playing single better.
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Maistorm Trick Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Location: B'ham, AL |
21. Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Tenaciousmonk wrote: | Quote: | their mind set on some retarded routine. |
wow.. you have just like, lost all respect from everyone on these forums. |
It was a joke. Notice how my post had the exact same structure as the topic creator. I have nothing against freestyling - In fact, I love to watch a good freestyle. I just felt that the topic creator got out of hand insulting tech players, so why not just copy him.. |
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sHadOwDAncErs Trick Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2002 Location: In Mah Room |
22. Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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IT'S only a GAME... Need I say this again.... or should I spell it out... G-A-M-E it's something that you can use as a challenge or just plain flat out Fun with it... people do the tech part because they wanna reach the HIGH SCORE BOARD... i'm sure all of you have at least wanted, tried, or even made it on the high score stats... hey it's all part of the game... so that's why they do it... but someone said "why does Everyone need to be technical" well get the facts right cuz not everyone IS technical... so yea... and remember it's only a game... and people decide to use it as a challenge which is perfectly alright so there shouldn't be a problem with anything... sheesh that was a lot of writing... _________________
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Romantic Boy Trick Member
Joined: 14 Feb 2003 Location: In Southern California, where the romance guides me through my heart and soul |
23. Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: Hmmmmm |
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Gangsta ASS Reeock wrote: | their mind set on some retarded routine |
Some of those retarded routines have won top 3 seeds in tournies man. I know. I judge Free Style and I freestyle myself. _________________
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Tenaciousmonk Trick Member
Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Bend, Oregon, USA |
24. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Eh.. I didn't notice that maistrom.. sorry. _________________
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Maistorm Trick Member
Joined: 14 Jun 2002 Location: B'ham, AL |
25. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:46 am Post subject: Re: Hmmmmm |
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Vi0Let wrote: | Gangsta ASS Reeock wrote: | their mind set on some retarded routine |
Some of those retarded routines have won top 3 seeds in tournies man. I know. I judge Free Style and I freestyle myself. |
IT WAS A JOKE. MY OPINION IS NOT AT ALL RELATED TO WHAT I SAID IN THAT POST.
Sheesh. |
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IguanaGrrl Staff Member
Joined: 17 Jan 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA |
26. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Play nice, gang. _________________
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telebuffer Trick Member
Joined: 10 May 2003
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27. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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*reads thru topic* *sees beginning argument* *reads more* *reads semi thoghtful counter argument* *reads more* *reads rants* *reads more agruments* *loses respect for quite a few posters* *finishes reading*
Ok... so anyways here goes my 2cents dance dance revolution has 3 modes light standard and heavy. If u wanna freestyle go right ahead, if u wanna tech be my guest. For all you that argue DDR is supposed to be ONLY for freestyle i can give you two letters BS. For my proof try to freestyle some catas (with a good routine), thank you. All of you that think DDR is for tech ONLY also BS cuz the name IS dance dance revolution so u could dance if u want _________________
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a_seal Trick Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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28. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 6:22 pm Post subject: erm |
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honestly, I dont know why you guys are going on about this... if you havent noticed yet the original poster that you are ALL throwing crap at hasnt made one counter-post yet...
im sure the first 2 people or so got the message across... _________________
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Optimus Trick Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2002 Location: Newbury park, CA |
29. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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telebuffer wrote: | Ok... so anyways here goes my 2cents dance dance revolution has 3 modes light standard and heavy. If u wanna freestyle go right ahead, if u wanna tech be my guest. For all you that argue DDR is supposed to be ONLY for freestyle i can give you two letters BS. For my proof try to freestyle some catas (with a good routine), thank you. All of you that think DDR is for tech ONLY also BS cuz the name IS dance dance revolution so u could dance if u want |
WE HAVE A WINNER! this was the response I was looking for. "It theoretically should be near equal." I've been waiting to post Untill I could unerstand the full spectrum of views(on this board) and get this kind of post. I'm not saying don't be technical. In fact I say I miss a bunch o' steps on some songs some times but mostly I am verbally noted by others than myself to miss very few steps most of the time(especially on Doubles(yay gould four mee! like you care right?))
I have noted that most people counter my post by saying that some like tech, some like free. But that's wasn't my question. My question is why do MOST (like 95%) of all DDR'ers I see be technical. due to this poll I have concluded that most are technical because they either: started out being tech(that's really all beginners can do, I did) and got so used to it that they never got out of it, have no confidence, think they can't dance, really do think it is the best and in their opinion the only way to play since it's a game, don't have the patience to learn freestyle and basically start out all over again with the difficulty levels, don't see the point, really do lack co-ordination, are beginners, or just want their name on the high score board. or a combination of the above. I think most people fall mainly into the first category.
I get my greatest kicks out of getting crowds of people who don't play DDR watching, and with free styling and funky get-ups, I do get some of the biggest crowds. ( I even get a few people asking to get a picture with me) I don't care if the other hardcore gamers watch or are impressed because I don't care for their respect and they watch everyone anyway. _________________
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DJTyrant Maniac Member
Joined: 25 Jan 2002 Location: Ventura, CA |
30. Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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You live in Newberry Park, that's your problem.
Come to Ventura and check out Electric Ave. a REAL arcade _________________
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Optimus Trick Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2002 Location: Newbury park, CA |
31. Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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acually I live in Phoenix, AZ now. Haven't bothered to change my profile. Plenty of "real" arcades out here. Truth is I don't like them much. I liked it better in NP because I was the only one I knew who played the game and I don't mesh well with the other hardcore DDR'ers. I'm not like them because I've evolved a totally different direction from the common DDR'er since I taught myself and only had Freestyle-double tourney videos as a means to watch other players.
Just some useless trivia about me :blink: _________________
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wraith985 Trick Member
Joined: 26 Dec 2002 Location: Saratoga, CA |
32. Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Why is everyone technical? |
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Optimus wrote: | I have noted that most people counter my post by saying that some like tech, some like free. But that's wasn't my question. My question is why do MOST (like 95%) of all DDR'ers I see be technical. |
Uhh...that IS your question. Why do most of the DDRers you see play tech? Because those DDRers you see prefer tech over freestyle...
also:
Optimus wrote: | I'm not saying don't be technical. |
is pretty contradictory to:
Optimus wrote: | ...getting nothing but perfects, the extra stage and shuch, all the while looking like f*cking idiots on crack with legs flying everywhere, arms not moving and their heads fixed in some retarded daze. |
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Optimus wrote: | I believe that the purpose of the game(now just try to understand this) "'Dance' 'Dance' Revolution" is to, (beieve it or not) dance. [gasp!] And that the Slower songs(and I simply mean slower than that MAX crap and others like it) are more fun to play because you can acually "dance" to them, not flailing around like you got down syndrome. |
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Optimus wrote: | ...when I get up to the pads to play I get the crowds of people watching, because I acually look remotely interesting when I play. |
Certainly sounds like you're putting down PAers to me. Or is calling people retarded ("down syndrome") a compliment in Phoenix?
If you don't like PA, that's fine. But don't insult those of us who PA. I play the game the way that it's most fun to me. I don't have the patience to make routines, so I have the most fun just PAing and occasionally throwing in some crazy randomness on the spur of the moment. Freestyle doesn't hold much appeal to me - I'm not a person who gets huge kicks out of having a big crowd (although it is nice, i suppose), and even if I was, a good PA player can draw just as big (if not bigger) crowds as a freestyler. It's simply a matter of choice. FS just isn't fun to me; having said that, i do think it's just as fun to watch a good FSer as it is to watch a good PAer.
You can think FS is superior, especially on a 'dance' game, but might I remind you that you're playing a game, following arrows on a screen and stomping up/down/left/right arrows? It's great that you get your biggest kicks out of getting crowds of people watching. My biggest rush while playing DDR is seeing that AA or AAA at the grading screen. I prefer to PA. You prefer to FS. That's fine. But have a little respect for the people who choose to play tech. I don't see anybody belittling freestyle here (beside that one joke post) - you'd do well to take the hint.
One more thing. Your condescending attitude is the biggest problem I have with your post (the FS vs. PA debates happen all the time). Get off your high horse; just because you FS doesn't mean you're better than tech players. I could characterize freestylers as "nitwits thinking they're actually dancing when they're playing a video game in an arcade doing stupid-looking handslaps and kneedrops...", and that would almost certainly piss you off (as well as be completely unwarranted). That's exactly what you did to us tech players. Golden rule, dude... |
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BlackDth Trick Member
Joined: 16 Nov 2002
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33. Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Because the game doesn't grade you on freestyle
The real reason though is because I have no interest in FS*. I honestly do not care if people are impressed by how I look when I play.
*(besides my incredibly awesome silent hill and orion .78 ameuro routines) |
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Optimus Trick Member
Joined: 09 Mar 2002 Location: Newbury park, CA |
34. Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Why is everyone technical? |
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wraith985 wrote: | One more thing. Your condescending attitude is the biggest problem I have with your post (the FS vs. PA debates happen all the time). Get off your high horse; just because you FS doesn't mean you're better than tech players. |
Maybe I'm condenscending because I feel that all the tech players I meet in person are condenscending thinking they're better than me because they get AA's that stuff I don't care to do. I just seriously didn't understand the concept of playing just to get a high score. Thinking about it now I realize that in almost any game I play I almost always never go for high score. just making what I do look cool even if it harms my technical performance. I mean in almost any game. action, fighter, puzzle, shooter, strategy, you can do that in almost any game and most games reward you for doing stuff that "looks cool" (i.e. fighting games with combos, GTA III with jumps and stuff, getting five line combo in tetris) while others don't. (diving in Tomb raider, seeing how far you can launch a car with grenades in Halo, crashing cars in racing games with real damage) DDR to me, always looked like it demanded good looking moves to get respect, because it's what it took to get my respect. But I guess I was following imaginary rules, DDR doesn't care how good I look, only I do.
And your comment on how Tech gets crowds too. no they don't, not here anyway. here if they do they're lucky, But FS gets the biggest crowds by far. And I've never heard any tech players get applause(literaly), But FS does. _________________
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rmz Trick Member
Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Location: Tucson, AZ |
35. Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Why is everyone technical? |
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Optimus wrote: | And your comment on how Tech gets crowds too. no they don't, not here anyway. here if they do they're lucky, But FS gets the biggest crowds by far. And I've never heard any tech players get applause(literaly), But FS does. |
It's exactly the opposite here. I see a few great FS'ers where I play, and I like watching them, but they rarely get crowds. Good PA'ers get huge crowds quite often, though. Especially when people here the opening bars to PSM or LoM or something -- everyone starts walking over to look. _________________
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GD-Man Trick Member
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36. Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Because you can't get accused of copying moves when playing technically. By the way, if your idea of freestyle is doing handslaps and kneedrops, I sincerely hope you start doing tech. _________________
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dreamdancer Trick Member
Joined: 12 Jun 2003 Location: You mean like, where? |
37. Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Sheesh, it seems we have some very excitable and very opinionated people in this forum.
Here is my take on the Freestyle vs. Technical preference.
Since starting DDR about 5 months ago I have wanted to freestyle. Especially after seeing some of the very cool freestyle routines by DJ 8-Ball and Kevin Kim. However I think it is important to achieve some proficiency in technical ability before starting to freestyle.
Last Friday I played with a guy who had been playing DDR for a considerable time, about 1 year he told me. And he was still playing on light. To every song, and I mean EVERY song, he tried to freestyle. Funny enough just about all of his freestyle routines resembled the chicken dance - he actually angled his arms in and moved his elbows up and down. Needless to say he looked ridiculous.
What was more disappointing for himself is that when I convinced him of trying just to pass a song (I actually told him to use the bar) he couldn't even pass 5 footers - and he'd been playing for nearly a year.
Having said that, I think people improvising freestyle whilst playing DDR is way cool, provided they already have sufficient technical ability.
As for making up a routine - I have tried to memorise just two double routines, with varying success, so that I can freestyle them facing away from the screen. When I eventually get them done I will hopefully be able to tape them and upload them.
So my final word is that I think people should get there technical ability up to scratch before they try to freestyle, but that doesn't mean that you must pass Max 300 heavy first. Just be able to play the songs that you are freestyling to.
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DJX Trick Member
Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Location: CA |
38. Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:07 am Post subject: |
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Optimus wrote: | I feel that all the tech players I meet in person are condenscending thinking they're better than me |
Maybe all of the tech players you've met, but clearly you haven't met them all...don't be so quick to pass judgement on ALL tech players because of the mistakes of a few.
Optimus wrote: | I mean in almost any game. action, fighter, puzzle, shooter, strategy, you can do that in almost any game and most games reward you for doing stuff that "looks cool" |
Generally the cool-looking things that give you points do so because they were designed to be a part of the game and they meet one or more of the games objectives. Now I love to watch freestyle and I may try it some day, but there is no question that the manual for the game describes the instructions merely as stepping on the arrows as they pass through the step zone.
And finally, added for good measure....
Optimus wrote: | getting five line combo in tetris |
You can only get a four line combo, at least in the original tetris. _________________
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liquidimages Trick Member
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39. Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:36 am Post subject: |
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rofl how long u goin to argue? _________________
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