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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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you can get a trakball mouse for compusa and intergrate it into the joystick.
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Are you adding a trackball and spinner too? I might build another one with a trackball and spinner someday, but I'm not sure which ones I want to buy just yet.

I would be hesitant to connect a dance pad to an Ipac too, if you had controllers frying. I would hate to see you fry an Ipac.


Yah, I wanna 3 1/2" Translucent trackball and a spinner for Arknoid and Tron.

I also figure most of my controllers shorting out are due to shotty soldiering jobs, you can just put the wires directly into the wire ports on the ipac. Here is a quick picture of what I wanna do to upgrade on your already great plans. Instead of weather stripping and metal contacts, I wanna put in official DDR microswitches. Also from finally seeing the inside of a real pad, I see that there are plastic L brackets that go over the microswitches to help protect them, and then the lucite would sit right on the L Brackets. I may go with "Patster's" idea of putting a 2x4 (cut down on mine to keep the profile size down) on it's side and mounting the microswitches directly to it.



The red wires will connect to each other within the arrow and one lead will come out and go into the correct key on the I-Pac. The black wires will all connect in the middle of the pad and then one single lead will come out to the ground on the I-Pac. In theory it should work better than any modded ps controller, but is it worth frying an $80 I-Pac to try it?!? hehe

hehe please excuse the EXTREMELY crude drawing as I spent all of 5 minutes on it E1.gif
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hehe please excuse the EXTREMELY crude drawing as I spent all of 5 minutes on it E1.gif

Sure you even spent that much money on it? lol, jk around
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I was just wondering .. What's the best kind of controller to use for wiring? The cheap $5 ones usually dont want to co-operate with me.. They always somehow blow a fuse, something like that.

Anyone have any preferences for me? Thanks .. Oh! And if so, can you post pics of the circuit boards, too?
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I was just wondering .. What's the best kind of controller to use for wiring? The cheap $5 ones usually dont want to co-operate with me.. They always somehow blow a fuse, something like that.

Anyone have any preferences for me? Thanks .. Oh! And if so, can you post pics of the circuit boards, too?


1 thing to tell DONT BUY PS2 controller that are green/blue that dont have PCB for the button (YEP IT SUCK! !!)

i did another pad (for a friend) we were at a game srtore so we bought that a ps2 controller analogic dual shock2.... (y not... ) then.... at home...open it..... and find that the inside of the button is made of plastic .... and that there is only small (REALLY SMALL) solder point that are separated by 1mm in the corner of a PCB placed in the back of the controller (for the 2 joystick)

the prob : i soldered some wire (yep ! got it..... damn hard to do) but there was no button working... inly start and select.. .so i used them and i used the joystick button (L3 and R3) it was for PC so it wokred.... but it ugly like hell ! damn controller. the guy said : I got a cheap one.. dont buy it it realy suck..... but if you really want 1 i got a ps2 controller ...blahblahblah... i was like .... damn should take the cheap one.... we gona open it and "break" it anyway


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hey i saw your video of you playing, can you send me the song, it sounded like mario and i like mario
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Andreq wrote:
TwitchingMan wrote:
I was just wondering .. What's the best kind of controller to use for wiring? The cheap $5 ones usually dont want to co-operate with me.. They always somehow blow a fuse, something like that.

Anyone have any preferences for me? Thanks .. Oh! And if so, can you post pics of the circuit boards, too?


1 thing to tell DONT BUY PS2 controller that are green/blue that dont have PCB for the button (YEP IT SUCK! !!)

i did another pad (for a friend) we were at a game srtore so we bought that a ps2 controller analogic dual shock2.... (y not... ) then.... at home...open it..... and find that the inside of the button is made of plastic .... and that there is only small (REALLY SMALL) solder point that are separated by 1mm in the corner of a PCB placed in the back of the controller (for the 2 joystick)

the prob : i soldered some wire (yep ! got it..... damn hard to do) but there was no button working... inly start and select.. .so i used them and i used the joystick button (L3 and R3) it was for PC so it wokred.... but it ugly like hell ! damn controller. the guy said : I got a cheap one.. dont buy it it realy suck..... but if you really want 1 i got a ps2 controller ...blahblahblah... i was like .... damn should take the cheap one.... we gona open it and "break" it anyway


have a nice day E10.gif


What kind of controller did you use?

I saw a pic of the circuit board on your site. What kind of controller is that?
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TwitchingMan wrote:
I was just wondering .. What's the best kind of controller to use for wiring? The cheap $5 ones usually dont want to co-operate with me.. They always somehow blow a fuse, something like that.

Anyone have any preferences for me? Thanks .. Oh! And if so, can you post pics of the circuit boards, too?


1 thing to tell DONT BUY PS2 controller that are green/blue that dont have PCB for the button (YEP IT SUCK! !!)

i did another pad (for a friend) we were at a game srtore so we bought that a ps2 controller analogic dual shock2.... (y not... ) then.... at home...open it..... and find that the inside of the button is made of plastic .... and that there is only small (REALLY SMALL) solder point that are separated by 1mm in the corner of a PCB placed in the back of the controller (for the 2 joystick)

the prob : i soldered some wire (yep ! got it..... damn hard to do) but there was no button working... inly start and select.. .so i used them and i used the joystick button (L3 and R3) it was for PC so it wokred.... but it ugly like hell ! damn controller. the guy said : I got a cheap one.. dont buy it it realy suck..... but if you really want 1 i got a ps2 controller ...blahblahblah... i was like .... damn should take the cheap one.... we gona open it and "break" it anyway


have a nice day E10.gif


What kind of controller did you use?

I saw a pic of the circuit board on your site. What kind of controller is that?


this wasnt the controller i use... this .. if your talking about the Softpad PCB board... it a softpad circuit E10.gif and the otehr is a 3rd party psx controller... wiat a sec !!! i got a new webcam E10.gif i gona but pic up in 1 min of this damned "board".....

(taking picture)
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http://membres.lycos.fr/csclanbef/DDR/PS2%20pad(plastik).jpg

note : this is not PCB .. its a plastic sheet !!!! (its not in the pad i jsut taked it apart its not useful.... were all the small line are going is where the "pcb" connect to that plastic and this is were i had to solder (damn small pin there)



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the song was from DWI palace its mario fzero remix... something like that..... for DWI palace... .search on google i dont remember the URL i jsut found those .DWI(+mp3) when i was searching for some .DWI
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E1.gif E1.gif where can i get an 11 by 11 picture of an arrow that prints out that size E13.gif
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E1.gif E1.gif where can i get an 11 by 11 picture of an arrow that prints out that size E13.gif
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Here Are some arrows but this was already talked about before
Go to ecpage.com/ddrarrows to get the full size of the image










Those are basically it, but you can find other arrows [if you spent time looking around..]
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OMFG !!!!! link the picture !!!!!
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Okay .. So I've been thinking about the wiring for my pad, and here's what I think I should do.

For each panel, there will be NO soldering. Meaning that I'm going to wrap the wire around each screw and tighten them down as tight as possible. The only soldering will be on the circuit board of the controller [Obviously.].

Now, the actual direction part of the arrows will be on the top and bottom of the square, and the ground wiring will be on the left and right. I'll be using some sheet metal contacts, like Riptide's current pad [not like the one he's working on at the moment.]. I was wondering if this seems possible to do, and if it will possibly work. Anyone have opinions on this?
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Now, the actual direction part of the arrows will be on the top and bottom of the square, and the ground wiring will be on the left and right. I'll be using some sheet metal contacts, like Riptide's current pad [not like the one he's working on at the moment.]. I was wondering if this seems possible to do, and if it will possibly work. Anyone have opinions on this?


It'll work if u plan on stepping directly in the center of the panel whenever u play, which no one does regardless. If you plan on doing the old riptide contact design, i suggest you go with the alternating wiring for each screw like he did.
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OMFG !!!!! link the picture !!!!!

LOL i did in the beginning of the post ***-****
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OMFG !!!!! link the picture !!!!!

LOL i did in the beginning of the post ***-****


*stares in disbelief*

He meant that you should link to all of the pictures, NOT post them directly.

My bandwidth is crying out in pain...
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OMFG !!!!! link the picture !!!!!

LOL i did in the beginning of the post ***-****


*stares in disbelief*

He meant that you should link to all of the pictures, NOT post them directly.

My bandwidth is crying out in pain...

o ok, but im use to my broadband and forgot about u 56k's
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OmegaFreeStyler wrote:
rmz wrote:
OmegaFreeStyler wrote:
Andreq wrote:
OMFG !!!!! link the picture !!!!!

LOL i did in the beginning of the post ***-****


*stares in disbelief*

He meant that you should link to all of the pictures, NOT post them directly.

My bandwidth is crying out in pain...

o ok, but im use to my broadband and forgot about u 56k's
its still hella annoying on broadband.
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I've had my pad done for over a month now and have been playing on it lots. I used corner brackets like beefman, but used washers to rise them to the point where the arrow panels barely had to drop any to make contact. The result is very nice.

Some pics of my design:
http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~zottower/DDR%20Pad/

BUT, as far as I'm concerned there is a big problem with beefman and riptide designs....they're too complex on the inside. There are so many things inside each arrow panel that have to stay EXACTLY in place, or you'll start getting ghost steps, non-working, or partially working arrow panels. Think about it - you're gonna have somebody jumping and stomping all over these panels. They are going to be under a lot of stress and chances are, things will come loose. I designed mine very carefully, but still there have been 3 major things inside panels that have come loose or have broken....

1) The wires that connect the 4 corner braces have come loose or have broken off at the ends about 3 or 4 times.
2) The sheet metal glued with 3M spray adhesive (which is about as good as you're going to get) to the bottom of the lexan has come loose on almost every single side of every panel. I've had to re-glue almost every one. The first time I don't think i used enough glue. I used lots of glue the 2nd time around and they have held up so far.
3) The washers underneath the corner brackets have come loose and moved out of place causing my brackets to not be the right height.

The best solution to this that I can think of would be to just simplify the design so that it doesnt have so many points of possible failure. DDRHomePad's design is great because it is so simple and easy to make. I would definately recommend going with his design, or something similar, over riptide's and beefman's. The only downside to DDRhomepad's is that it doesn't support lighting. Sometime within the next month before I move to Japan I would like to try to re-do my arrow panels with a modifcation on DDRHomePad's design to make it more sensitive. There's a box factory nearby my house that sells this really thin (maybe 1/8th inch) durable foam-core type stuff that would be good for this.

So all I gotta say is to keep your designs simple. If you make something overly-complex, you're going to spend lots of time tweaking it and fixing things until it's fairly stable.

My mostly finished pad:
http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~zottower/Finished%20Pad.JPG
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I finally have a problem with one of my pads, but only when I play it on the playstation, not when i play it on my computer ie stepmania, dwi. Now, when I plug the controller into the playstation, its like my pcb is possessed ( im using sony ps pcbs ). I dont even touch the pad and its starts registering every button at once. I managed to get passed the song menu without getting irritated and all the arrows register at once and keeps on going, and even at the menus it moves by itself. I thought it was the pcb so I replaced it with another one, and still the same problem. Im using beefmans contact design. Does If this helps any, with the arrow panel taken off, I touched one of the corner brackets with my finger( beefman contact design ) and it registered the button multiple times. Does anyone know what the problem could be? Any help would be greatly appreciated
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