Tournamix Discussion

Smbu |LÂ©| · Trick Member Joined: 26 Jan 2002 Location: California

Yeah, I dont really like this bracket too much either. Songs I thought I would like Abstract and Bitmania, turned out to be bleh, so-so (even though I like both songs, the steps for both just aren't very good) and pretty muct most of the other ones are so-so too.
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shmigheghi · Trick Member Joined: 20 Jun 2002

Disco Moscow reminds me of Boom Boom Dollar...and that's a very good thing.

Most of the rest are passable, but Solar Plexus and The Logical Song aren't playable. The writer of SP took the steps from Light, and added more for Standard, and then added about twice as many just on top of the Standard for Heavy. Bad move.

Wolfman2000 · Trick Member Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere in NC

I thought someone would have commented on this by now...bracket 4 has what some believe to be an illegal entry: Shopping A to Z.

Why illegal? This song belongs to Rage With Intensity, a DWI/BMS original group. It's been out since before TM4 was announced. Just about EVERYTHING in the TM4 packet was the same as the original.

I guess that leaves us 24 choices...that is, if I'm reading the judge's minds right.

Dipstick · Trick Member Joined: 23 Jan 2002 Location: Boston, MA

Shopping A to Z has offically been squashed, and the plagerizer tarred and feathered. Or something. Looking at the final song list Sivus put up, it isn't even on there (and neither was Cha Cha Slide, oddly).

So don't vote for it. Hell, you probably won't be able to vote for it.

As for regarding the whole bracket/series crap:

1) These were designed by people, with no screening by anyone whatsoever -- much like the stuff that was on bemanisims.com. And if you expect most things in life to be well-done (regardless of what its relative to), I want to live in your world.

2) One man's crap is another man's mediocrity. I don't see most of the entries in this to be awful; some are good, some are... not so good. I do agree that the kin-7 heavy entries can go blow themselves though, though. (I swear Solar Plexus raped me in my sleep. Or at least kicked me in the solar plexus.)

-Dippy
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Wolfman2000 · Trick Member Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Location: Somewhere in NC

I wonder where that song list is that you've mentioned...I'd like to see it.

As for Cha Cha Slide...the main crimes it committed were badly synched BPM, Yellow Arrow Syndrome, and not following the lyrics.

CoreyBlaze · Trick Member Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Location: Puerto Rico

Oops, double post! Read Below.

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Crza · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 5:39 pm Post subject:

Ha ha ha, did anyone read the judges comments? BMR filled in for Sivus. I see we have the same tastes tho, as he loved Mega Man 2 as much as I did. BTW, does anybody know where I can get the full version of Come to Me by Airbase?

The 4th bracket is out, and I'm a big fan of a couple songs, but I hate the others. Here's what I've played:

Abstract - A big disappointment...

Baby Got Back - Not as bad as you'd think. Enjoyable, tho the steps followed the vocals too much.

Breaking the Habit - Good song, alright steps, too fast of a bpm.

Discow Moscow - Awesome song, and the freezes make sense. Eurobeat!!

Excellent Change! - No, good god no. Why the speed ups, why?

Revival Day - Stop trying to kill the 2nd greatest RPG of all time!!! The steps are way off sync so I'm not sure if it could be good or not.

Robot Rockerz - Fun, I guess. Nothing stands out tho.

Solar Plexus - Hi, my name's TychmoMT and I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing. Hey I bet if I max out the dance o meter, i'll be cool.

Spicy McHaggis - My favorite DWI yet. It's so awesome and funny. Imagine a fun rocker version of Bag!

Tentaikansoku - This one could win the tournament. Awesome song, perfect steps, this one will be in the finals for sure.

The Diva Dance - Give me a break. Why would anyone ever want to play this song, let alone the horrible steps. Good god someone kill me, I can't go on knowing someone thought making this a DWI would be a good idea.

The Peace - The preview sounds cool. But how come the damn movie doesn't work!!!? The steps are kinda bad and the majority of the song sucks too. Still, it's not that bad...Ok it is.

I'll play some more later and review those too, even though no one cares!!!

Trylan (Another) · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2003 9:06 pm Post subject:

Ok, Here's my critique of bracket 4. Note, i only will be commenting on heavy/challenge stepsets. This is not because i played only the heavy, but because i feel that heavy/challenge is the best measure of someone's skill.

Opening statements: wow, a whole lot of wrong gaps in this bracket. I'm not going to give it that much consideration though, if i can adjust the gap so the steps are perfectly synched i will still recognize the effort (wrong bpm and poorly synched steps are another story altogether). Also, woot for Dropkick Murphys!

Abstract: Well well well. First off, there are in my mind 2 distinct parts to this .dwi, the beginning and the end. The beginning was good, the end was not. The steps fit near the beginning. As the song progressed, the 1/8 runs started making less and less sense. Also, the freeze at the end = totally unnecessary. The gallops scattered here and there didn't seem to fit with the song in any way; difficulty for difficulty's sake isn't always the best thing.
Overall: B-

Ari Ari: Now this is a good .dwi. The steps fit the music well, they are synched good and have no gap errors. The steps changed focus often enough to not be repeptitious.All in all a pretty airtight entry.
Overall: A (my #2 pick)

Atomic Dance Explosion: Hm, where to start. First of all the BPM is noticeably off at the beginning, easily noticed from the amount of greats i was getting. The BPM is also off during some of the slowdowns, and some of the slowdowns didnt need to exist (ie the music sped up but the steps didnt). Also, for trying to be difficult, the heavy steps missed many opportunities to be harder/better. All in all, a good try, but not finalist material.
Overall: B-

Baby Got Back: Heh, interesting song choice. While i think this song is awesome, *bow* Sir Mix-a-lot, i dont believe this is .dwi material. The steps, to put it bluntly, were uninspired. Not that it's entirely your fault, since there isnt much but the lyrics to go by in this song. The tempo freezes were nicely implemented though. Like i said, a better song choice could have been made to go with the nicely synched steps you had.
Overall: B

Believe: Well, most notably, the gap for this .dwi was all wrong. When adjusted to 330, however, the steps were well synched. Overall, the steps were pretty interesting. I'd say this .dwi represents what should be the average of the tournamix; not a winner, but pretty good nonetheless.
Overall: B+

Bit Mania: As much as i wanted this to be a good .dwi, since i'm such a fan of Akira Yamaoka, this .dwi didnt cut it. First off, the gap was off, (shoulda been somewhere around 604). Secondly, the steps were kinda boring. They had too much focus on the beat of the song, nothing but 1/4 and 1/8 steps. Kind of uninspired.
Overall: B-

Black Cat Yet another good .dwi. The steps were spot on for the most part, fitting greatly with the music. However, a few of the stutter gallop sets (ie so deep style) didnt fit the music. Overall, good job. I'll be utterly amazed if this song doesnt advance from popular vote.
Overall: A (My #1 pick)

Breaking the Habit: Sorry, but no good. First of all, it seems you went pretty freeze-happy here, not as bad as EE doubles, but still pretty rampant. Also, many of the 1/16 runs in the challenge stepset and even the heavy stepset had absolutely nothing to do with the song, difficulty for the sake of difficulty. The steps were dull, and when they seemed to get interesting, they had nothing to do with anything. The only good things going for this one are correct gap and bpm.
Overall: C

Discow Moscow: Nice entry. Song choice is danceable, steps are well synched and are related to the music. The one beat freezes in the beginning were pretty interesting. The song seemed a little long though, since it was the same thing over and over, the only interesting parts being the offbeat notes near the end, and the freezes near the beginning. The steps seemed repetetive and easy, while accurate very boring. Overall, pretty average; nothing spectacular, and thus, not a finalist imo. (this song *really* reminded me of bandolero comanchero...is it by the same artist?
Overall: B+

Electroclimatic: Seemed like you were going for a cross between wild rush and INSERTiON. Well, it almost worked; the song timing was good, the bpm changes were good, female moaning in the background, check. The steps however, were quite horrid. When they werent straight copying the melody karaoke style, they were generic 1/8 notes going to the beat. "You've got the moves but you're not quite there. Practice and try it again." </djdh announcer>
PS i know you said you made better light and standard than heavy, but im commenting on heavy steps, i did actually read the readme :wink:
Overall: C+

Excellent Change!: Well, while it was ok, lots of things about this .dwi could have been better. First off, the sections of the 1/8 runs at double the BPM should have been 1/16ths at the same bpm. The song never sped up at all, so the steps shouldnt have either. Secondly, the runs were poorly implemented; they fit to the music, but the long runs with the jumps at the end were unimaginative, and could have had a lot more variety and felt more fun. Otherwise, good .dwi. The steps are well synched, the BPM changes, while unnecessary and ill fitting, are implemented properly, and the rest of the song is pretty fun to play with. You had a good idea, but it didnt come out quite right.
Overall: B-

Hypnotic Tango: Too short. The steps were fun, but a bit boring in places. All in all, an above average job; however, being only above average, there is absolutely nothing captivating about this .dwi.
Overall: B-

Killing My Love: No no and no. The tempo change and freeze tricks in this song were absolutely unnecessary. That kind of thing was cool in the Stoic for TM3, but that managed to make itself fit the song. In this case, it is used way too sparsely and on the wrong kind of music to have any kind of positive effect. Also, you used stutter gallops way too much in this song, it got old fast. In addition, the song seemed to short. However, you had going for you a 100% accurate bpm and gap.
Overall: C

Number One: Well, in the beginning and the end of the heavy stepset, the steps were out of sync. All throughout, the steps were pretty average karaoke steps, nothing special. Some songs can make karaoke steps work, but not this one. The BPM and gap seemed ok though, but thats about it for positive aspects of this .dwi.
Overall: C

Revival Day Impoetus: First play through, i thought the steps were horribly off-sync and the tempo change in the middle was stupid. After changing the gap to -520 and listening to the song, the arrows are greatly synched and i realized the music does in fact slow down. The heavy steps are solid, and well fit to the music. The challenge steps are a blast to play on the keyboard. Good job.
Overall: A (my #3 pick)

Robobt Rockerz: Well, well...the BPM was extremely off for this entry. towards the end of the song the steps were in a different measure of the music than was currently playing...unacceptable. The steps were good, a bit heavy of the triplets and 1/16th runs. At any rate, the BPM discrepancy is much too big for me to ignore.
Overall: C-

Solar Plexus: Ok then....no. Just no.
Ok, if you must have an explanation...first of all, the gap is off, by about 30ms. Next, the oh so wonderful SM bug lurks here and there in this .dwi. To top it off, the heavy steps remind me of the pledge, totally nonsensical and way too hard. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but this .dwi is terrible. (and yes, i did play lgt and std first before hvy.) Interesting concept, but the delivery is extremely unsatisfactory.
Overall: D

Soramimi KEEKI: Good entry, good entry. The BPM seemed on for the most part, no gap adjusting required. The steps however...well the heavy steps were pretty well fit to the song, but got boring in parts. Very repetetive at times, with the constant 1/8th runs. And the challenge steps...well the gallops were interesting, but the 1/16 runs and triplets were quite honestly pointless. Once again, a case of difficulty for the sake of difficulty.
Overall: B+

The Spicy McHaggis Jig: w00t! I love Dropkick Murphys. Excellent song, i also love bagpipe music. Down to the .dwi: the bpm and gap were right on. The steps...well they were interesting and well thought out, but a bit poorly synched in places. Overall, however, this was an enjoyable .dwi. However much i liked the .dwi, i cant look past the apparent flaws though. Nice try, great song.
Overall: B+

tentaikansoku: Another average entry. The bpm was good, the gap was off, should have been 60. The steps....well, frankly they were boring. You tried to hard to follow the lyrics all througout the song. Good work, but forgettable nonetheless.
Overall: B

The Diva Dance: Sorry, but this sucked. The steps were totally off sync. They had nothing to do with the song. I see what you were going for, but you missed the mark by a mile. I'm not sure if the gap is wrong or not, since the steps aren't synched themselves...the bpm seemed ok. Again, sorry but this is just not an acceptable .dwi.
Overall: C-

The Logical Song: I like this song. That being said, i couldn't stand this .dwi. First of all, I am fairly sure the actual BPM is 173, NOT 346. Secondly, the 1/8 runs at 346 bpm dontfit the song...this would fit few songs. It's next to impossible on foot, and no fun on keyboard. I can see where this fits with the song, i just think it is poorly suited to a .dwi. The steps were offsync as well. Overall, i didnt like this entry much...props for picking a good song though.
Overall: C

The peace: Word, i loved that bg movie. On to the stepfile though: the steps were spot on, synched very nicely. The gap was off, however, should have been 64. The steps were overall pretty well matched to the music. This was definitely fun to play (and watch). This would get my 4th place vote if there was such a spot.
Overall: A-

Treasure Within: Now this was another good, yet average entry. The steps were well synched, the bpm/gap were on, and the tempo changes were well implemented. I must say, it seemed to drag on toward the end, but it was still fun to play. Nothing really that spectacular about this song but great entry nonetheless.
Overall: B+

Overall, there was nothing spectacular to come outta this bracket.
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RedChrono · Trick Member Joined: 12 May 2002

OK personally, I think the judges are doing a great job, except for one thing:

Tempo Freezes. It seems they HATE these no matter what, and there's no reason to ever use them. I thought the tempo freezes in Do-Bi-Do-Boi were brilliant. The music CLEARLY stops, so, the bpm does too. Plus it adds fun to the steps. But did the judges like it? Nope. I garuntee they'll say the same thing about the freezes in the beginning of Discow Moscow.

To the judges: The whole idea of this contest was to make an original and fun DWI. If put in correctly, freezes can do both. Taking them out can potentially make certain dwis a little less enjoyable.

I bet anything if So Fabulous so Fierce weren't a DDR song, and someone entered it, the judges would take major points off for the tempo freezes in the middle.
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onoessnaked · Staff Member Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Location: UK

cristian989 · Trick Member Joined: 11 Dec 2002 Location: Amherst, MA

does any one know where i can download earlier versions of tournamix? I reallylike tournamix 4 and i want to have the previous versions. Thank you. Or if you have it, is there any way you can send it to me through AIM? I have broadband connection. Thanks.

onoessnaked · Staff Member Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Location: UK

From what I can gather, DDRei are trying to think of some way of getting some of the previous stuff up as a lot of people have asked about previous TMs.

Just have to wait, I guess.
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CoreyBlaze · Trick Member Joined: 11 Mar 2002 Location: Puerto Rico

brianspud33 · Trick Member Joined: 17 Oct 2002 Location: Greenfield, MA

My Top 6 Songs:
1. Black Cat
2. Ari Ari
3. Treasure Within
4. Discow Moscow
5. Hypnotic Tango
6. The Peace!
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Honorable Mentions:
7. Believe
8. Abstract
9. Number One
10. Robot Rockerz (with BPM changed to 150)
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TheBaldOneMpls · Trick Member Joined: 21 Jan 2003

BaldOne is back, which can only mean one thing. It's time to hand out the often imitaded, but never (say it with me, Jerichoholics) eeeeeeeeever duplicated BaldOne awards.

Biggest Surprise: Killing My Love
BPM: 78~1872. That just killed any hope I had for this song... until I played it. The surprise wasn't that it was incredible (too gimmicky), but rather that it actually was synced perfectly! Fun to play... just not that fun.

Biggest Letdown: Spicy McHaggis
I was as shocked as you were when I saw a Dropkick Murphys song on here. It could've been like bag, but cool. Instead... we got YAS. Sigh.

Most Overrated/Underrated .dwi: Unawarded
This bracket is pretty much a crapshoot. Outside of Black Cat (definately in), Diva Dance (definately out), and Shopping A to Z (I'll get to that one), nothing else seems to be out of the race. Giving these out is practically impossible this time around.

Most Ignored .dwi: Bit Mania
I may be wrong, but I've yet to see a comment on this one.

Best .dwi You Didn't Want to Play: Killing My Love
Was anyone jumping out of their seat when they saw 1872 BPM?

Most Needed Speed Adjustment: The Logical Song
There's logic in spelling Logical Song without the Max.

Worst Foot Rating: Solar Plexus - Heavy (10)
Personally, I would've gone for Flashing 7... but that's just me.

Best Achievement in a Bad .dwi: (No Name Given) for their "work" in Shopping A to Z
It takes guts to submit a dwi for public scrutiny.
It takes cowardess to submit a dwi for public scrutiny that's not your own.
It takes selfishness to submit a dwi for public scrutiny that's not your own, then claim it as your own.
It takes a new level of stupidity to do all of that for a dwi that's not all that good to begin with.
You, sir or madam, deserve to have your every move critisized by Arch0wl for all eternity. (Yes, THAT bad).

BaldOne's Picks for the Finals:
5/6 last week; 14/18 [77%] overall

In alphabetical order
Ari Ari (Great steps overcome lackluster graphics)
Black Cat (History Remix) (This is neoMAX on a lesser scale)
Electroclimatic (This + Help Me Dr. Dick = The most interesting Nonstop course EVER)
Hypnotic Tango (My darkhorse; maybe TM4's only song that people think is too short)
Revival Day Impoetus (Proof that the RPG bias is real)
The*Peace (Say it with me now: Hoooooo Horo yukou ze!)

Ensyther · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 6:58 am Post subject:

Paix · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 10:52 am Post subject:

Am I the only one who's noticing the absolutely horrible gaps? Put assist tick on and just listen. How someone could spend so much time and energy on a stepfile only to have it absolutely ruined by a gap that's off is just beyond me. It doesn't make any sense.

Best Song: Excellent Change!

Best Steps: Ari Ari

Best Overall: Black Cat

Meow

onoessnaked · Staff Member Joined: 22 Aug 2002 Location: UK

Paix · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2003 11:00 am Post subject: