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20. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are gonna be using 4rth mix plus solo machines
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21. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I heard that you had to be 18+ in order to be in it but if their trying to attracts viewers (which ABCFamily is probably mostly teens and younger viewers) why is there an age limit? I'm not trying to complain but this is my opinion.
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22. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dojomaster26 wrote:

Thank you Spoonsman.

I understand your concern for DDR becoming a fad. The same anxiety was expressed before DDR appeared on the Early Show on CBS, but I haven't seen an increase in local players after the show aired, so I guess the appearance on a national program didn't do too much to boost popularity. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't get your quip on licensing. Konami has released a few american DDR games, and can license those games to ABC without messing with Konami of Japan (of course that means "Let Them MOOOOVE!", instead of "Come on everybody let's kick the can..."). If ABC does use a Japanese DDR machine, then we'll probably hear about the multi-mllion dollar lawsuit the day after.

Then again, we don't even know if we're playing on a DDR machine, much less any music-game that we are familiar with. "Dance Fever" could be a bad DDR rip-off developed by ABC for the show.


Don't worry you are wrong, allow me to correct you.

facts to consider:

1) Doesnt konami have a trademark on the Dance game genre (curtesy of Doller Bill)

2) The early show was TINY compared to this. Please, a small segment for DDR compared to a whole TV show about a 'dance sim'. Also let me remind you, you live in chicago, i live in New York. Nuff' said. Even if this flops, there will be some devoted watchers. I guess the question is, how many new people will there be.

3) Licensing as in, to publically use the DDR machine, dance game genre. Since konami has a trademark on the Dance game genre, it makes it that much harder. If They use a Japanese DDR machine, obviously theyre screwed, especially since a large amount of them are bootlegs, and they get one. They use a rip off, theyre gonna have a lawsuit sitting on their hands.

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Well, I heard that you had to be 18+ in order to be in it but if their trying to attracts viewers (which ABCFamily is probably mostly teens and younger viewers) why is there an age limit? I'm not trying to complain but this is my opinion.


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23. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only bad thing I don't like about the tour is it isn't going to the West Coast and their not using the EX machine. I like to see someone do Max 300, LoM, or even MU impressin the crowd! laugh.gif I can't wait to see the show and it better not dissapoint.
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24. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 8:22 pm    Post subject: Justa feeling Reply with quote

TiVotj wrote:
Mastapopo wrote:
Yea this is bad, there will probably be a strong 'youth movement' in DDR and PIU after this show.


Actually, I get the feeling that on one will really give a damn about it.


I've personally got the feeling that the only people who are gonna show up to these things are DDR/PUI/etc players!
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Hmm I might drive 5 hours to go to this just for the oppritunity to meet MC HAMMER!!! that would be enough for me laugh.gif
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Wow... so it's finally going to be ruined by the american media through a competition style reality show. Interesting. Here's some history.

4/20/02 - Film production crew and Konami US sponsor the Gable House tourney in CA, using the event as a chance to gain footage for a possible upcoming DDR-based game show where players essentially play for money in a tournament. Project never heard of again.

5/02 - Sketchers Commercial featuring DDR is cast, later aired in the Fall/Winter quarter. Reknowned socal and norcal players given oppurtunity to audition in addition to normal actors and such. JustJaye given the part.

7&8/02 - Firestone Entertainment Group and Allied(Alliance?) Artists team up for upcoming DDR-related movie titled... Dance Machine! Lead was going to be Miko Hughes (Apollo 13, some other movies). Filming to pitch the idea to prospective producers went on throughout the summer at Family Fun Center and Winnetka Bowl in the San Fernando Valley. I don't think the producers felt that it was a sound investment, as I never heard of any further plans for it. Haha, I recently found the script for it too... wasn't that bad, but a bit too kiddy for the normal player. Quote the writer, "I had the 16 year olds looking to get banged and people cussing up the a-hole but those got taken out." He was really cool.

7/03 - Dance Fever :\ Hm. Ugh. They could've chosen a better form to present it in.

2004 - Andimiro supposedly to team up with WB for a jointly sponsored program with large budget... no details released yet tho.

Frankly, I don't think that any producers who are trying/have tried to use this stomp stomp mash game have a full understanding of what they're dealing with. The program will most likely target young or teenage boys AND girls, when the game is played majorly by mid to upper teen boys as well as people in their early 20's. They think that they can cash in on the latest fad, glitz it up, and expect the rest of us to swallow it. It doesn't even seem like they put the effort into gaining an understanding of the players or the game for that matter before putting it into the spotlight and hoping it'll serve as good a cash cow on TV as it does in the arcades.
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27. PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2003 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i actually wouldnt mind having ddr a fad......for 3 reasons.......

1)i wouldnt hear the word "cigarette" or "gay" or "stupid dancing game"as much

2)i wouldnt feel weird wearing a ddr 5th mix t shirt at school disturb.gif

3)does it really matter if they actually have respect for the game? i mean.......its just a video game......nothing more.....and PLUS the more people that play.....the more money is spent.......therefor helping konami by giving them money so they can build buetiful new machines for us... E13.gif
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yes new bueatiful machines.. the possiblitys. more songs for me to fail on double
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1. Just cause it's on TV won't suddenly stop people from calling it gay. I find that preteen modeling is stupid and put on their children by insecure mothers to achieve their own personal desires. Now that American Juniors is on I haven't changed... in fact i've grown even more against it. I think players will reject the notion.

3. Oh yes, I can't wait for the release of DDRUS 2, featuring all the great hits on DDRMAX US and maybe all the SOTA remixes from EX. Won't happen. They'll release IIDX 7th style on PS2 before DDRUS2. All IIDX fans get the comparison.

BTW - when money is involved... nothing is just a game.
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30. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 12:58 am    Post subject: holy crap you guys are ridiculous Reply with quote

I can't believe how many of you just rant and rave before you find out the truth. Did anybody bother to look into this Dance Fever show? It doesn't seem like it. This is NOT a show about DDR. DDR will probably never be mentioned on the show. This is a show about dancing, actual dancing, like on a dance floor. The "machine" competition is just a promotional thing they are doing to get people interested in the show, which is actually a revival of an old show that got cancelled way back when. For more information, try this website or search the web for "abc family dance fever".
http://www.abcfamilynet.com/docs/05/DanceFever052903.pdf
Sheesh. And you're all focusing on the wrong thing. Do you really think ABC, a huge company like ABC would promote something like this and not get the proper licensing? Plus, the site said they were "exclusive Dance Fever dance machines" and not "illegal japanese dance machines." If I were you, I would focus on how to get to these cities on these dates!
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31. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 4:26 am    Post subject: Re: holy crap you guys are ridiculous Reply with quote

jeffwei wrote:
I can't believe how many of you just rant and rave before you find out the truth. Did anybody bother to look into this Dance Fever show? It doesn't seem like it. This is NOT a show about DDR. DDR will probably never be mentioned on the show. This is a show about dancing, actual dancing, like on a dance floor. The "machine" competition is just a promotional thing they are doing to get people interested in the show, which is actually a revival of an old show that got cancelled way back when. For more information, try this website or search the web for "abc family dance fever".
http://www.abcfamilynet.com/docs/05/DanceFever052903.pdf
Sheesh. And you're all focusing on the wrong thing. Do you really think ABC, a huge company like ABC would promote something like this and not get the proper licensing? Plus, the site said they were "exclusive Dance Fever dance machines" and not "illegal japanese dance machines." If I were you, I would focus on how to get to these cities on these dates!


Nice find on the pdf. Based on the site alone, it makes it sound like a Dance sim competition. The dance sims i guess are promotional items. Oh well, atleast it saves ups from a retarted show... i guess. Props to jeffwei
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32. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You forgot about the CBS broadcast here in NY, Krrl. That was a bomb too.
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33. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mastapopo wrote:
Dojomaster26 wrote:

Thank you Spoonsman.

I understand your concern for DDR becoming a fad. The same anxiety was expressed before DDR appeared on the Early Show on CBS, but I haven't seen an increase in local players after the show aired, so I guess the appearance on a national program didn't do too much to boost popularity. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't get your quip on licensing. Konami has released a few american DDR games, and can license those games to ABC without messing with Konami of Japan (of course that means "Let Them MOOOOVE!", instead of "Come on everybody let's kick the can..."). If ABC does use a Japanese DDR machine, then we'll probably hear about the multi-mllion dollar lawsuit the day after.

Then again, we don't even know if we're playing on a DDR machine, much less any music-game that we are familiar with. "Dance Fever" could be a bad DDR rip-off developed by ABC for the show.


Don't worry you are wrong, allow me to correct you.

facts to consider:

1) Doesnt konami have a trademark on the Dance game genre (curtesy of Doller Bill)

2) The early show was TINY compared to this. Please, a small segment for DDR compared to a whole TV show about a 'dance sim'. Also let me remind you, you live in chicago, i live in New York. Nuff' said. Even if this flops, there will be some devoted watchers. I guess the question is, how many new people
will there be.

3) Licensing as in, to publically use the DDR machine, dance game genre. Since konami has a trademark on the Dance game genre, it makes
it that much harder. If They use a Japanese DDR machine, obviously theyre screwed, especially since a large amount of them are bootlegs, and they get one. They use a rip off, theyre gonna have a lawsuit sitting on their hands.


2) I don't live in Chicago! If you looked under my avatar, you'd see that I live in Hickory, NC. I have a little extra time (until August 8) to prepare for the Charlotte show. I'm glad I'm not like the Chicago players that have no idea what they're getting into. Also your comparison of the Early show clip (which was about 3 minutes long) to the Dance Fever show (which will probably be a weekly show running 30 minutes/week) is understandable. The big question that will determine how much the DDR community gets affected by this is WHEN (what time slot) the show airs? The Early Show aired the DDR clip around 9:00 AM, when the target audience for DDR (older teenage boys) is in school. If the clip aired at, say, 7:00 AM, then we might see a bigger impact on DDR's popularity than we did.

Thanks for clearing up this whole licensing thing. IMO I think Konami should gets the licensing rights to display their american DDR machines from Konami of Japan ASAP, so that they can start promoting their game a little better.
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34. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David[XL2] wrote:
they are gonna be using 4rth mix plus solo machines


Can you prove what you said in this statement?
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Probably not, but then again ... I am from King ... so ummmm, yeah. Charlotte is looking really nice right about now.
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Praster announced what machines are going to be used in a thread in the midwest forum.

PRASTER IS INVOLVED WITH THIS, IT'S NO RUMOR.

Also, the show does NOT revolve around DDR, but these tournaments will be included as part of the show. The show is really dedicated to 'actual' dancing, so even if you are not a ddr player, and have a dance team or what-not, you should still go to be on the show.

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Yeah I think its pretty obvious that we will be playing on random machines in a tournament setup and I assume theyll have a qualifier that will get it down to a very small amount of people maybe 32 at the max, and then everyone will probably face off for just like one song or so. The big winnars I guess get to go to the show at studio 54 or whatever, so I think the only part on the show with DDR will be them showing snippits of the tour on like the first episode and interviewing people possibly to talk about the game (if its a new dance game that they end up trying to promote) or the show if they have monitors showing what its about.

It seems really lame, but hell I want to be there
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38. PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2003 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Syxx Pac wrote:
Praster announced what machines are going to be used in a thread in the midwest forum.

PRASTER IS INVOLVED WITH THIS, IT'S NO RUMOR.


And that's why I said 'rumor mill says'. From a DDR Freak news standpoint, we can only report what has been officially confirmed. We've been burned by people who were 'involved' previously. I don't know Praster personally and don't know his level of involvement with Dance Fever personally, so I can't vouch for his word. I did, however, want to get the news out to the masses ASAP once it was brought to our attention, so Phrekwenci and I did a mad search for more information.

That's why I left the type of machines as a 'rumor mill' comment. I hope that makes better sense. E1.gif
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Yeah, I guess I can see your point.

But it's nice to see that this is on the main page now. Thanks for throwing it up there.
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