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My home built metal DDR pad (Part IV)
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480. PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tr4il wrote:
I finished the adjusting the old skool riptide to the new age beefman and its godly... ::runs back to max2::

Now that I think about it I have been through a lot of pad building...(look below)

First Pad
First Arrow Wells

Regular Riptide Pad

Most Current = Riptide Base + Beefman Arrows
Center Square on newest


Wow it looks good! Great job man. I hope mine turns out something like yours; I plan to combine the Riptide and Beefman designs when I build mine soon.
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Finally! A new problem I can mess around with! I was playing on my pad today, and the shoes I was wearing were wet after the rain, but I dried them up, and I noticed that it makes the pad really um... not-slippery like the ardace. It's impossible to slide your feet even the least bit. This is also the case in the past even when my shoes were very dry. So I was wondering if anybody knows a way to give my panels the same kind of texture as the arcades. I was thinking about rubbing wax paper on them, but I haven't tried it. Has anyone else here found a way to make their plastic panels as "slippery" as the arcade?
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Thanks for the info tr4il! E7.gif

weston, just tape wax paper to the bottom of your socks/feet laugh.gif
(im kidding,.,)



hmm, my arrows squeek like CRAZY. it sounds like a door opening REALLY slowly, its so annoying. where is this coming from! it never squeeked before, its driving me nuts
i hear...

COMBO IS CONTINUING,, SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKK
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483. PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2003 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe: I know exactly what you're talking about. And it's been bothering me for as long as the pad was built... but I fixed it. The sound you're hearing is the plastic rubbing against the metal brackets.

I'm assuming you have plastic panels like Patser and Riptide. To stop it, get strips of sticky felt (cut it about 1/2 inch thick) and put it on the corner edges of the plastic where it looks like it could rub against the brackets. It may make the panel fit a little tighter.
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I started building my pad today. It is going to be a doubles pad with the exact dimensions of the ones in arcades. I am not going to put in the bars though, and I am going to add little switch type buttons for x,o,start,select up top too. First off here's my home depot supplies I got today along with prices for those interested...

1 small box of 1 5/8 inch screws $3.19
1 small box of 2 1/2 inch screws $3.19
3M Adhesive Spray $11.98
1 rubber mallet $13.83
16 packs (2 in each) 2" stanley corner brackets $47.68
2 packs of 1/4" weather stripping $3.98
2 sheets of zinc 3'x2' 26 guage sheet metal $39.76
2 sheets of 2'x4' .236" thick acrylic $55.94

I also got a 30 dollar sheet of 4'x8' birch plywood (really nice) for the base. But the cashier made a mistake and only charged me 14.98 for it. I also got 2 2"x4" pieces of wood that the cashier didnt charge me at all for because she couldnt get them to scan. I'm not sure how much they were supposed to be. I also had them cut the 10 square pieces of plywood I'll need for the non arrow panels, and also they cut the big piece of plywood for the base.

2 used PS1 controllers will cost me $14. I'll need to get some wire tomorrow too. LED's too once It's almost done. Eventually I'll put a full list up with pictures of how to build it. (Probably all on a webpage)

But what I'll say so far is cutting that damn sheet metal was such a pain. I strongly recommend wearing protective gloves and using very sharp tin snips. I also noticed that trying to cut 26 guage sheet metal is a lot harder than cutting 22 guage. And right now I'm waiting for the dumb battery to get charged in my saw/drill thing so I can get back to work.
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-Joe- wrote:
Thanks for the info tr4il! E7.gif

weston, just tape wax paper to the bottom of your socks/feet laugh.gif
(im kidding,.,)



hmm, my arrows squeek like CRAZY. it sounds like a door opening REALLY slowly, its so annoying. where is this coming from! it never squeeked before, its driving me nuts
i hear...

COMBO IS CONTINUING,, SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKK

No problem man. My pad sqeaks too, but I just blast the music...happy.gif

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2 packs of 1/4" weather stripping $3.98

Why? I recommend silicon, and I think -Joe- would too xD
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So I was just sawing my plexiglass I bought at home depot (the .236" thick sheets of 2x4' plexiglass advertised as 20x stronger than glass....not lexan), and IT FREAKING CRACKED IN HALF!!! It's so worthless. The reason I bought this was because it was the only kind they had that was close to 1/4 inch thick. So I'm gonna return my unused piece tomorrow. The good news is I found a plastics company nearby that sells 1/4 inch sheets of lexan so I am going to get that.

NEVER BUY CHEAP PLEXIGLASS. GET THE GOOD STUFF
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ZotTower wrote:
So I was just sawing my plexiglass I bought at home depot (the .236" thick sheets of 2x4' plexiglass advertised as 20x stronger than glass....not lexan), and IT FREAKING CRACKED IN HALF!!! It's so worthless. The reason I bought this was because it was the only kind they had that was close to 1/4 inch thick. So I'm gonna return my unused piece tomorrow. The good news is I found a plastics company nearby that sells 1/4 inch sheets of lexan so I am going to get that.

NEVER BUY CHEAP PLEXIGLASS. GET THE GOOD STUFF


What type of blade where you using to cut it? If it was anything other than a metal fast-cut, thats probably why it cracked...perhaps? Maybe? E19.gif I dunno im just trying to help out here...lol...riiight.gif

You could be right though, it probably just was bad plexiglass
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What type of blade where you using to cut it? If it was anything other than a metal fast-cut, thats probably why it cracked...perhaps? Maybe? E19.gif I dunno im just trying to help out here...lol...riiight.gif

You could be right though, it probably just was bad plexiglass


Yea it was the right kind of blade. The plexiglass just really sucks. I'll get the lexan tomorrow. Here's what I've done so far (as of this afternoon)...

http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~zottower/pad.JPG
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Yea it was the right kind of blade. The plexiglass just really sucks. I'll get the lexan tomorrow. Here's what I've done so far (as of this afternoon)...

http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~zottower/pad.JPG


Ah, ok. Makes sense. But the pad looks really good so far! I'm jealous. E4.gif
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What type of blade where you using to cut it? If it was anything other than a metal fast-cut, thats probably why it cracked...perhaps? Maybe? E19.gif I dunno im just trying to help out here...lol...riiight.gif

You could be right though, it probably just was bad plexiglass


Yea it was the right kind of blade. The plexiglass just really sucks. I'll get the lexan tomorrow. Here's what I've done so far (as of this afternoon)...

http://student.seas.gwu.edu/~zottower/pad.JPG

Very nice work...I wish I saw silicon and corners...I'm telling you from playing on both...but it's up to you
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Hey, I just finished building my pad tonight, based mostly on riptide design. I wired all of the screws together and connected them to the power from the controller (original PS1 controller). FOr the ground, I mounted on the underside of the Plexiglass COPPER TAPE, which we often used for constructing Slot Racing tracks. The copper tape is then connected to the wire from the Ground of the controller. Any screw around the perimeter of the arrow base that touches the copper tape will then trigger the arrow, It is soooo sensitive. And the copper tape conducts the electricity just like wire, needs no soldering to steel plates, and no steel plates to be affixed to the bottom of the Plexiglass. Working great!
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lookout321 wrote:
Hey, I just finished building my pad tonight, based mostly on riptide design. I wired all of the screws together and connected them to the power from the controller (original PS1 controller). FOr the ground, I mounted on the underside of the Plexiglass COPPER TAPE, which we often used for constructing Slot Racing tracks. The copper tape is then connected to the wire from the Ground of the controller. Any screw around the perimeter of the arrow base that touches the copper tape will then trigger the arrow, It is soooo sensitive. And the copper tape conducts the electricity just like wire, needs no soldering to steel plates, and no steel plates to be affixed to the bottom of the Plexiglass. Working great!

Sounds nice...happy.gif
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lookout321 wrote:
Hey, I just finished building my pad tonight, based mostly on riptide design. I wired all of the screws together and connected them to the power from the controller (original PS1 controller). FOr the ground, I mounted on the underside of the Plexiglass COPPER TAPE, which we often used for constructing Slot Racing tracks. The copper tape is then connected to the wire from the Ground of the controller. Any screw around the perimeter of the arrow base that touches the copper tape will then trigger the arrow, It is soooo sensitive. And the copper tape conducts the electricity just like wire, needs no soldering to steel plates, and no steel plates to be affixed to the bottom of the Plexiglass. Working great!


Hmm that sounds like a REALLY good idea. I think I might try that. Also I have to know.....where do I get this silicon tubing that I keep seeing/hearing about. I tried my weather stripping....it seems like it'll work, but might not be as sensitive as I'd like.
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ZotTower wrote:
Hmm that sounds like a REALLY good idea. I think I might try that. Also I have to know.....where do I get this silicon tubing that I keep seeing/hearing about. I tried my weather stripping....it seems like it'll work, but might not be as sensitive as I'd like.


Get this -> DU-BRO Silicon Fuel Tubing
Inner Diameter: 1/8"
Outer Diameter: 1/4"

Get these corner braces from Home Depot -> Stanley 1 1/2" Flat Corner Braces

Run the live wire to all the braces and ground to 4 sheet metal contacts under the plexi and have fun.
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The best part of the coper tape is no soldering, just stick to the underside of the plexi. First lay the bottom piece of plexi over the screws, mark where the screws touch the plexi, then flip over and lay the tape in a continuous line connecting the dots. Works real nice
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s1400mhz wrote:
Has anybody tried to put wheels on the bottom, like the arcade pads? im just wondering caus if anybody has tried it, Dose it role around as if your on a soft pad?


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now that thats done wsith IM BACK! and I didnt get my hands on a singel DDR machine in Texas, couldnt find the one in Sea World, and the only mall we stopped at sucked HORRIBLY, I forget the name of it, wait I think it was like Windsor Park mall, they didnt even have an arcade, the only arcade machine they had was the soccer kick game and that was just sitting in the middle of the mall, but on a better note I did get a good Strawberry-Banana Smoothie there... but yeah
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woot I'm back too... My stupid computer... I bought 2 more 40 gigs drives (at $30 a piece! woot) and RAIDED them together, went to FDISK them, and FDISK'ed the wrong RAID array... oh well tongue.gif I'm back after a refreshing windows xp reinstall tongue.gif I submitted my Graduation Project Proposal today (which is to build a metal pad), hopefully it gets accepted. There's too many differant designs to go with now though tongue.gif

Is it better to do the corner contacts, or to use straight mending braces along the sides... or both ?
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I took a little pic of my pad today. Here it goes -> THE Pad

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Is it better to do the corner contacts, or to use straight mending braces along the sides... or both ?

Beefman and I both prefer just the corners. (Sorry for speaking for Beef, but it's just what he personally told me).
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As dumb as this may sound, I never actually realized how the corner brackets worked until just now. Before I was thinking that the sheet metal on the bottom of the plexiglass had to touch 2 of the brackets for the circuit to be completed (like 2 brackets are normal and 2 are ground). And I was thinking 'gees why do you guys think that would work good; that would barely work at all'. But now I see. So I guess I can either take out my riptide-like screws (not a problem at all to do), buy some corner brackets, and go to work doing that. It sure seems like an easy and very effective way to do it.

Oh and I got some tubing today too.....I could not find any silicon tubing stuff at home depot but I think I found something just as good.... I got some of that latex tubing. It's yellow in color and I know I've seen it somewhere at the doctor's or dentist's office before. But home depot sells it. They only had stuff that was .5 diameter inside and I think .625 outside....A little too big, but I can cut it in half the long way. The great stuff about it is that it is very strong and very bounce-backish (i couldnt think of a better word), but it seems like the perfect material if you want the arrow steps to bounce back up as soon as your foot lifts up.
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