Affronova an Indian song?

Elektro Tal · Posted: Sun May 18, 2003 8:12 pm Post subject:

orion is sung in okinawan japanese. Cmon, people, get some culture=)

Quazar · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, USA

I still think Exotic Ethnic is Egyptian-inspired. I've always associated the sitar with Egypt. When I think Indian, I think of Tunak Tunak Tun. (the intro part.)

And I think Red Chrono was trying to say it sounds Arabic. The Arab world is mostly Muslim. It's not ignorance, Elektro Tal. And calling me ignorant for thinking Exotic Ethnic is Egyptian is... well.... ignorant. The sitar sounds very Egyptian to many people, not just me. The song makes me think of pyramids and camels. :-P

Now, let's talk about ReVenge songs since we're on the subject:
Afronova - African
Orion.78 - Japanese (Okinawa)
Matsuri Japan - Japanese
Sakura - Japanese
Exotic Ethnic - Egyptian (I'm sticking with this one)
Tsugaru - Japanese
bag - Celtic

That's what I think anyway...

Quazar

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taQo · Trick Member Joined: 12 Nov 2002 Location: Fort Worth

The only thing on Afronova that's Indian is the part where the guy goes "bbrrruuuaaaahhhh" with a strong roll of the tongue, it's an indian war chant type thing, you use it when you're calling on your enemy to fight. I know dis cuz I listen to alot of Indian music.

Ciaratha · Posted: Sun May 18, 2003 9:32 pm Post subject:

I am taking sample of EE and orion to dance class and I know they can discern it.
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Bryan Voorhees · Posted: Sun May 18, 2003 9:42 pm Post subject:

Exotic Ethnic seems a little more egyptian themed to me than indian.
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Elektro Tal · Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 1:41 am Post subject:

except that the sitar is an indian instrument. The closest egyptian equivalents sound nothing like it, to the trained ear. I play a sitar, and have been classically trained in indian music. It's not my fault that it sounds the same to you, but wrong is wrong, and ignorance isnt an excuse. Associating an indian instrument with egypt is like associating a Honda with a Hummer. Just because it has four wheels and drives does not make it the same.

And associating all indian music with pop crap like tunak (my personal opinion, not reflective of discussion at hand) is pretty lame. Much like associating all Americans with guns, or all american music with Puff Daddy.

Now then. Lets discuss some of the other tracks. bag is pretty solidly scottish in origin, what with the bagpipes and the flannels in the video, though the chanting bit at the end could easily be associated with any number of celtic new age styles. Sakura is the national song of japan, and the DDR/IIDX remix samples the original pretty heavily. This isnt really common knowledge, but most people should be able to figure it out. Sakura has been associated with japan in tons of games as well, for the non culturally inclined. Just look at Piston Honda in Punch out.

Tsugaru uses a Shamisen. Can't get more japanese than that.
Orion 78 and Matsuri Japan are both okinawan. I guess i'm wierd, cause it was pretty freakin' obvious to me the first time i heard them.

Afronovas i never questioned. I guess it is like Naoki songs and eurobeat. Its almost so obvious it hurts.

For me this thread is basically my explosive response to a misconception that has bugged the hell out of me for a long time. As an Indian, i have a different context than other people do, and this is just one place where i know that i am right without doubt. So it irks me to see contention and confusion in a place where it just shouldnt exist.

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Zep · Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 6:55 am Post subject:

sounds like it could be a indian tribal song but then again it came from Japan so ........

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Tsunami Forever · Posted: Mon May 19, 2003 8:41 am Post subject:

[Worthless Comment] I know for sure Bag has scottish roots [/Worthless Comment]

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I think Afronova is from like a African Indian song, it may well be a tribe I'm not sure myself. That's my guess.

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Look at the name AFROnova. Black guys have afros so I think that is a good enough excuse for me.
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SDSUMarcus01 · Trick Member Joined: 23 May 2003

Well lets get one thing straight... RevenG's music is pop... it may use traditional ethnic instruments... but it's pop because RevenG also uses non-traditional instruments (mainly electronics).

Anyways... if we want to go into a discussion of the musical instruments used in each song... sure... but as long as we all understand it's pop

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I just took a college course on music of the world and had to attend many concerts of the "Classical musics of the world" so I think I have some credability in the area... and I agree with Elektro Tal.

Afronova uses african instruments... no doubt about it. The drums are african (can't remember the names right now)... as well as the rhythms... and the vocalists sound African... and RevenG also mixes sound samples that aren't "traditionally african." I like african drumming a lot though. They usually have a bunch of people with percussion instruments and they all play a simple rhythm (usually a cowbell starts off and then a master drum leads the rest) but together they form extremely complex rhythms.

Exotic Ethnic uses Indian instruments. If they say it's themed after Egypt they're confusing a lot of things. If it *is* themed after Egypt, it's the melody, and the melody copies off hollywood's take on Egyptian music... which is essentially butchered middle eastern music (which is similar to indian music... but not very much). I'm not sure if the drone instrument is a sitar... but i'll trust Elektro Tal on it, and those ARE definately tabla drums.

Bag uses bagpipes... that's Scottish without question.

Onto Islamic "music." I was under the impression that many fundamentalists consider music to be a sin... and the famous "prayer music" isn't considred to be music since they are praising God... so with that I think Islamic "music" is an oxymoron... middle eastern music and islamic music are NOT the same thing.

Quazar · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, USA

In that case, maybe it's the way that Exotic Ethnic is played that makes is sound Egyptian.... that makes sense.

Re-venge isn't pop. pop = Michael Jackson and Britney Spears. It's more like tribal house..... kinda..... ok, it's just dance remixes of ethnic songs.... but not pop.

Quazar

nick. · Trick Member Joined: 09 Jul 2002 Location: Studio city, CA

I really think this thread developed into something larger than was intended.

I herad some parts of affronova that were used in the song at the Indian resturant, so, that led me to believe that maybe affronova originated from an indian song, becasue I assumed that affronova was taken from that song, nothing more, nothing less.