Pop Quiz on Paranoia Survivor Max!!!

MikeJonesJaxson · Trick Member Joined: 07 Apr 2002 Location: TX

You know, i've been thinking on a certian question....

Say you can beat Paranoia Survivor (Heavy) w/ the score of about a C, or to the point where your on the danger screen sometimes.....whatever, hopefully you can get my drift....

But you can't seem to beat Survivor Max (Heavy), so you decide to put it on mirror....so my question is.....

If you beat Survivor Max (Heavy) w/ the steps mirrored, do you techically beat Survivor Max???

To me it's kind like, both yes and no!

Yes to the degree that it's 20 BPM faster than it's survivor counter part.
No to the degree that the steps are mirrored and that kinda seems to defeat the purpose of Survivor Max on Heavy.....(besides Oni steps....mind you)

So, what do you think???
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Rancidfish · Posted: Tue May 20, 2003 10:38 am Post subject:

Some of the turning during the end runs is slightly easier on mirror than normal. Other than that, though, it's just about equally difficult. The 20 BPM and the added part at the end is where most of the difficulty comes from.
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MikeJonesJaxson · Trick Member Joined: 07 Apr 2002 Location: TX

well that's where the problem comes in...say the player can't get around the mirrored arrows for whatever reason....but mirrors it so that he beats it, does it still techinically count??? Am i even making any sense???

As for the end run, either which one is harder, the original survivor arrows, or survivor max arrows, is totally up to the player. And the extra part, well that's there, no matter what, but it is a small part of the song....
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Goenitz_196 · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 3:22 am Post subject:

Well if the player needs to mirror it so that he/she can beat it, I would say that it doesn't count...as hes/shes actually changing the pattern to make it easier for himself/herself. For me, I find the Survivor MAX runs easier for some reason.
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Phrekwenci · Administrator Joined: 27 Feb 2002 Location: New York, NY

Changing the pattern counts... it still has the same number of arrows. For some parts that are less difficult, others become more difficult.
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Cyan Garamonde (Nosaj) · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 8:36 am Post subject:

The machine will count it as a pass. That's good enough for me.

This would only be an issue if the mod involved were, say, little, the only mod that 100% makes a song easier. Otherwise, a pass is a pass.
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Trance Of Sorrow · Trick Member Joined: 01 Feb 2003

I think mirror or not it counts, but if you played on Little that's a

-Mystik- · Trick Member Joined: 16 Jun 2002 Location: NorCal

also a no because there are more tempo changes.
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Saiyajin · Posted: Wed May 21, 2003 9:27 pm Post subject:

I say, if you beat Paranoia Survivor Max on Mirror, you beat it on Mirror. If you strictly beat Paranoia Survivor Max, you beat the song. If you beat it sudden shuffle flat, you beat it sudden shuffle flat. The point is, you can clear it when it's mirrored... but not the normal steps. So, you can "clear the song on mirror". When talking, you should not be like, "yeah, I can clear it"; you should be "Yeah, I can clear it on mirror". Think about it for a few minutes if it doesn't make sense to you... because, it surely does.

Saying "I can clear the song" if you put it on mirror, when you can't clear it normally... seems like a lie. But, honestly, who cares?
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NAOKi SYNDROME · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 7:20 am Post subject:

If you can be PSM, you can be PS... Hands down... But remeber that a grade is a grade, beat both of them...
And if you can't beat the normal steps, then umm... well, that's a problem...
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ninjafetus · Posted: Thu May 22, 2003 8:47 am Post subject:

A number of tournaments do not allow any modifiers that actually modify the steps. As in, speed mods are ok, and so is boost dark if you're stupid, but left, right, shuffle, and... mirror, do not. That's because if you aren't playing the same arrows as another person, you aren't doing something you can compare against.

So... I think it is just as hard to beat it on mirror, but it's not the same as just beating it.
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