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580.  Posted: Thu May 15, 2003 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Tenma Gou Xiayu wrote: |
Selecting one of these will take you to the next menu where you select which order the songs will be in.
The default one is easiest to hardest.
one is alphabetical order
one is hardest to easiest
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From top to bottom, they're:
- Easy to hard
- Hard to easy (reverse order)
- Random order
- Alphabetical
Songs within each star rating will be alphabetical; KIN 7s are considered a separate difficulty and so the 4 (or 9 on double) KIN 7s will be after the 7s (or before the 7s for reverse).
To qualify for internet ranking you needed to pass at least 3 songs, and to play the default order (easy to hard). This is probably because the other 3 difficulty orders are a bit easier to pass. Of course this probably isn't very useful information because um, I think IR might be closed by now ;-)
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MATTY V.
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| 581. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| Survival mode is cool and stuff because you get to watch a different 2-frame animation of that IIDX girl every 5 songs. |
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Xiayu
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| 582. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| qqqkumbr wrote: | | Survival mode is cool and stuff because you get to watch a different 2-frame animation of that IIDX girl every 5 songs. |
Aah, you would be referring to the great Tran, hard at work during Break Time every five songs.
Thanks for the follow-up Crystal. If I ever make it to Cali I have to meet you  .
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O NOES!!!1 its Nitsuki!!
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| 583. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:11 am Post subject: |
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how long did it guys take for you to actually move on to 7Key from Light7?? I've been playing for a good 3-4 weeks already, but 7Key i dun wanna touch yet, not too confident, i've been able to pass almost all Light7 songs on 6th Style w/ little to no problems, only songs i have yet to pass on Light7 is Get on Beat, Love is a Dreaminess, Frozen Ray, G2, The Safari, and V (that ending part throws me off pretty easily).
O BTW i'm really used to 2 handed play, is that a sin?? I can do some songs jus 1 handed, like B4U on Light7
I did pass a few 7Key songs, Love or Truth on 3rd style, I was the One, Paranoia Max, Indigo Vision, Doigts De Fatima, and Comment Te Dire Adieu (Retrospective Song) on 6th. |
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| 584. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Ignore whether you're playing on Light7 or 7-key. If you've passed 6s on Light7, you can probably do most of the 5s on 7-key.
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Xiayu
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| 585. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| NinjaSYXX IIDX4Lyf!! wrote: | O BTW i'm really used to 2 handed play, is that a sin?? I can do some songs jus 1 handed, like B4U on Light7
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No, it's not a sin at all. One handed or two handed, it's all about your style of play. Just as some people 'bar rape' to clear harder songs, you have every right to use two hands to clear harder songs. I've noticed that this goes around quite often, and some people think that playing with two hands is looked down upon in some ways, but it's not.
All I can say is, if you play two handed, I am not phased by the fact that you are probably twice as good as me, and can clear every damn song on every damn mode. With two hands, you should be able to in my opinion.
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Rancidfish
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| 586. Posted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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Really, two-handing doesn't make things easier. It's a style of play.
There are some things that are a lot easier to do one-handed. Others are a lot easier two-handed.
I often switch between the two at various parts of a song. If there's a lot of scratching, I one-hand all the notes. If there's no scratching, I use two hands. Other times I'm somewhere in between.
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Twisted Silence
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| 587. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 7:16 am Post subject: |
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Playing one-handed is seriously over-rated.
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Xiayu
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| 588. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| Rancidfish wrote: | | Really, two-handing doesn't make things easier. It's a style of play. |
I have to agree with you one the style of play comment, but I disagree with the "doesn't make things easier." statement. Take any two handed player and make them play one handed, and see just how bad they'll do, compared to making a one handed player play two handed. I'm pretty sure if you took a pole, the majority of the players that you do this to will do better from one handed -> two, vs. two -> one handed.
I still remember getting creamed by songs like Absolute all day long, and then beating it on my first try with two hands moments after failing it badly one handed.
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O NOES!!!1 its Nitsuki!!
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| 589. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| kewl then, thnx for the comments guys, finally was able to pass frozen ray light7, hopefully by late next month i'll actually move onto 7Key, i wanna like coordinate and full combo songs, as well as work on my timing, i wanna stream more just greats. |
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| 590. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Agreed Twisted and Rancid. I certainly do not equate playing two handed to using the bar in DDR. Maybe I'd equate it to double stepping in DDR instead. There are many songs where I find that I'm much more accurate doublestepping than alternating feet in a long 1/8th note run. So what? It's just a matter of personal preference. Playing exclusively two handed can make many parts of songs a lot tougher than they need to be, and the same can be said for playing one-handed exclusively. You should play however you're most comfortable and don't worry about having a stigma attached to the style you choose. For a game as difficult as IIDX, that'd be pretty silly.
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| 591. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 9:53 am Post subject: |
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| Twisted Silence wrote: | | Playing one-handed is seriously over-rated. |
Agreed.
Though anyone that can pass Holic Another Random one-handed has my respect. |
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| 592. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 1:49 pm Post subject: Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh! |
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i passed holic 7 on my 5th try! this is the hardest 7star I can pass!
I also finally passed R10K 7 again. today is a good day for IIDX.
If only I could get through buffalo and presto now.....
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| 593. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a pianist, yet when I play singles in IIDX, I'm like Rancidfish: I'll play a bunch of songs two-handed, yet if there's a lot of scratching, I'll use just one hand (one exception, though, is Night of Fire. NOt a lot of scratching, but I find it loads easier if I play it one handed). Playing a lot of songs one-handed is kind of boring for me, as my left hand just rests on the turntable, only occasionally scratching when the game calls for it. I normally approach the game with the mindset that I want to utilise both hands as much as possible, that there is no right or wrong way to play the game. Part of this comes from something my piano professor in college told me, that there's a popular misconception regarding music notation for the piano. Many people think that what is written on the top staff MUST be played by the right hand, whereas what is written on the bottom staff must be played by the left. My teacher told me that the notes are just "pitch indications", nothing more. If one finds that something in one staff can be best split up by both hands to make things easier, then it's perfectly fine to do so, and that's how professionals tackle difficult pieces. The same thing holds true for IIDX. The little bars falling on the screen just tell you what needs to be pushed when. How those buttons are pushed is completely up to the player. Using two hands is not "raping the bar"; if it were considered cheating, why would Konami include videos of AGOP playing pieces two-handed in the Tatsujin videos in IIDX 6th PS2? Heck, occasionally while playing doubles, I'll quickly have one hand "help out" the other on the opposite side when that side's part has a break and the other side has a passage that would be most accurately played by using both. I see nothing wrong with that, either.
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| 594. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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I suck at playing one-handed.
I find it easier to handle drumrolls one-handed. |
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Xiayu
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| 595. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Oogami128 wrote: | | Using two hands is not "raping the bar"; if it were considered cheating, why would Konami include videos of AGOP playing pieces two-handed in the Tatsujin videos in IIDX 6th PS2? |
Ok, it's obvious that you all took me too literally with the term that I used, with single quotes, being 'raping the bar'.
Just so that you guys don't think wrongly about this in the continuation of this topic, I will clarify MY meaning of 'raping the bar'.
Bar rape: a.k.a. raping the bar - A term that was created to in regards to dancing games such as Pump It Up and Dance Dance Revolution. The term is based around using the bar to help maintain stability while playing songs, and at one point, some players that didn't need to use the bar to do what some other people needed the bar to do, they began to dub them as 'bar raping' to clear songs, since they couldn't do it without help or support. The general meaning of this term is directed to using the bar for HELP, and even though the name itself is demeaning, it is a completely harmless and not-so-belittled feel to it when used, similar to how some players can act when they find that someone else plays with two hands.
So, as a better reference to this, I will use the example that Oogami mentioned. He stated...
| Quote: | | Heck, occasionally while playing doubles, I'll quickly have one hand "help out" the other on the opposite side when that side's part has a break and the other side has a passage that would be most accurately played by using both. |
despite how unappropriate the title of this definition carries, that 'helping out' as you call it could be easily considered a form of 'bar rape'.
All I'm saying is that using your other hand to help out is just like using a bar behind you to help you run through a difficult stream of arrow patterns. The relativity of these two notions are very easily construed.
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| 596. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I think playing IIDX 2-handed is lots of fun. I know this sounds gay, but I get sort of a rush when my left hand has to *ahem* rush from hitting (a) key(s) to scratching, with mere milliseconds in between the 2. |
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O NOES!!!1 its Nitsuki!!
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| 597. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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| gotta love the pinky scratching, but yea i'm really inspired by the AGOP vids, he is really amazing w/ the 2 handed play. |
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| 598. Posted: Sat May 17, 2003 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Tenma Gou Xiayu wrote: | | I have to agree with you one the style of play comment, but I disagree with the "doesn't make things easier." statement. Take any two handed player and make them play one handed, and see just how bad they'll do, compared to making a one handed player play two handed. I'm pretty sure if you took a pole, the majority of the players that you do this to will do better from one handed -> two, vs. two -> one handed. |
When I was first learning the game, I played entirely one-handed. I could FC some 6s one-handed, but if I tried to use my other hand at all, it completely screwed me up. I learned to play two-handed, but it was a lot harder for me than learning to play one-handed was. Now I use a hybrid playing style, with a one-handed focus, even though I'm usually playing two-handed.
Example: Me vs. one of my friends.
In general, I play two-handed, but I play it as though I'm playing two one-handed games... My right hand deals with anything complex like a melody, and my left hand deals with a backbeat, or occasionally something a little more complicated (songs like Colors, Rainbow Flyer, etc.). Then, when there's scratching, my right hand covers everything for a bit and my left hand scratches.
When I see my friend (a hardcore two-hander) playing, he uses both hands to hit just about anything in that song. Left hand covers the leftmost note, but it also covers 2 and 3, or maybe even 4. Also, he pinky-scratches, while I don't.
This makes us good at different things. They're different playing styles. It's not as though two-handed playing is universally easier.
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| 599. Posted: Sun May 18, 2003 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| Rancidfish wrote: | | When I was first learning the game, I played entirely one-handed. I could FC some 6s one-handed, but if I tried to use my other hand at all, it completely screwed me up. I learned to play two-handed, but it was a lot harder for me than learning to play one-handed was. |
It's interesting that you say that, because now that I think about it, when I first started using two hands to play, It was difficult for me too. I was very apathetic about using two hands in the beginning, because I, like a lot of, saw the LISU and AGOP vids, and I was more impressed by LISU clearing songs one handed, so I took one a one handed playing style. Well, after getting my ass kicked by some 7* songs, I couldn't take it anymore, so I started using my second hand to hit the 1 key for bassline of most songs, and I was astonished at how much of a difference the 1 key makes in these songs. But at first, since I was playing one handed for over four months, playing two handed felt really awkward, but it wasn't until I actually sat down and took the time to integrate my other hand into the songs I was playing before it lost it's difficulty factor. I remember the first songs that showed me the power of two handed play was Dissolve, Real Love, G2. My second hand makes the difference of clearing or completely failing these songs, so I can say that I'm a hybrid player myself. Mainly one handed, but switch to two hands when I need that extra support.
I'm just glad we can all discuss topics like this and not have to worry about getting the thread locked because of flaming or bashing. You all really are great, and it's always good to hear other peoples' experiences with IIDX play, and how it's played.
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