Konami Announces DDR MAX2 for the US

NotLad · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 7:50 am Post subject:

Am I the only one who wants to see an improved edit mode? Maybe one that lets you change the BPM, set pauses, etc.?
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MILK · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 11:55 am Post subject:

i dont think that would work.

the bpm shifts and the freezes are placed more or less where they musically fit in. I think it would be too much effort to put in options to change the bpm in the song. I think it would be detrimental to the overal quality of the game manufactured steps.
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Dark Hogosha · Trick Member Joined: 12 Feb 2002 Location: Dubuque, Iowa

Reading through 10 pages hurts...so now, it's my turn.

First off, the whole thing about E-Rotic. When I worked at a video game store over the holidays, I had more than a few parents come in and ask about DDR. Most of them asked if the songs had anything bad in them. If the mixes had E-Rotic in 'em, I would've said yes, and they would've walked, period. DDR isn't about the hardcore. Konami isn't gonna please just a cult following. If you think otherwise, get used to disappointment. Konami has two groups to please. One, the consumers. Not 1/100,000th of the consumers, but as much of it as it can. And, two, itself. Konami's a business. And they will please themselves by making this available to as many people as humanly possible. E-Rotic has about as much of a chance of making it as Elvis. End of story.

Second off, So Deep is NOT a must. Sure, I love the song, and I'd be more than happy if it found its way onto Max 2 USA, but I will not get my hopes up for something that might not happen. Same with The Whistle Song, Highs Off U, Look At Us, etc., etc. I mean, if you look at Max USA, only one old licensed song off of there seemed to be a fan favorite and nothing more: Rhythm and Police. All of the other ones had something else to 'em. STMB, Ordinary World, and Synchronized Love all had some sort of American following, and My Generation is Club-y enough if it didnt' have a following already.

Third, on the subject of licenses from DDR games, I'm expecting some 2 Unlimited, Technotronik, and Duran Duran, although Duran Duran MIGHT have been ruined by how The Reflex was received by the majority of the DDRers. Also, I'm not counting any of the covers out. Long Train' Runnin', So Fabulous So Fierce, etc. Those have potential simply for the fact that they're familiar.

Fourth, as far as US exclusive licenses...I'm not gonna be surprised if Heaven is on there. I'll be slightly disappointed, but that's just me. There's better DJ Sammy stuff to put on there (California Dreamin', Take Me Back To Heaven), but it's not popular enough, and everyone was creamin' over the song when all the Max USA speculation began, which is probably when this game was getting started. Also, if Konami has the money, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see, on one hand, Paul Oakenfeld (or however you spell it), or, on the other hand...Justin Timberlake. Also, there was that 80's and early 90's fad reappearance...sooo...some old Synth-pop and House isn't all that unthinkable. However, I'm not expecting more than 20 licensed songs on here, and I'm guessing at 13-15. With that said...

Fifth, the Konami Originals. If I may direct your attention to Max USA and 6th Mix for a moment...for the Extra Stage and One More Extra Stage (and the time unlocks for both), both mixes were the same. Max 300 as the Extra Stage or 100 song unlock, and Candy as the One More Extra Stage or 200 song unlock. I'm expecting the same with Maxx Unlimited and Kakumei, unless KOA decides to actually do their own thing on the Extra Stages. As far as the other KOs...yeah, expect a crapload from 7th (D2R's a given), a few of the ones we missed from 6th and 5th (I'm guessing the rest of the yellow Beatmania ones from 5th), and maybe a couple that are there solely for Oni purposes. Oh yeah, and probably a few Oni originals.

Sixth...a lot more will be known about this game when 7th Mix comes out in Japan, just for the basis of comparison. No other mix has done what 7th Mix has in the arcade...which is have songs that are available only in one mode. How they'll handle this on the home mix will probably have some bearing on how Max 2 USA handles it.

That's all I have to say for now.
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Cowman715 · Trick Member Joined: 21 Jan 2003

wouldnt be cool if they could divide speed instead of multilply speed. like X.5 or X.2 that would be cool make songs a lot harder then multiply

Larrikin · Contributor Joined: 17 Feb 2002 Location: Illadelphia

.5X was SUPPOSED to be in DDRMAXUSA 1 but it got pulled for some reason.
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PenguinMan · Trick Member Joined: 18 Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA

Bah, I liked Love This Feelin'. The guitar riffs in that song were awesome, and I love the Standard level steps. And even though it was on Konamix, I just want to see Absolute on another mix.
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Cowman715 · Trick Member Joined: 21 Jan 2003

But for example in Delight Delight Revalation they divided speed up to x.2. I think it was delight delight or it could have been flash flash revolution i forgot. And if it did get pulled why dont they still have it on DDRMAX2 in the arcade. plz tell me why

dj-Luminus · Trick Member Joined: 24 Jan 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA

I'm hopinh this time around well get some new modes. I agree to what someone said b4, we NEED more UNIQUE and REAL backgrounds. Real like true... but unique as in not used in every single song, (i.e. Telephone Operator, Justify My Love, Flash In the Night, Kind Lady, So In Love) also more music videos feat. the DDR characters. Some licenses that would be nice and cheap would be like Look at Us, One More Time (?), Rapture

, Blue Fever, Movin On, Moolight Shadow, Dub-I-Dub, Boys (

), and maybe some K.O.G.G3 or B4 ZA Beat REMIXES. ALSO BRING BACK LONG REMIXES

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DX Manaic · Trick Member Joined: 28 Aug 2002 Location: Outer Limits

Two words:
EDIT BANK
This has so much potential right now since it would be nice to code it in, with about 115 songs to cover.

Also, Disc Change with DDRMAX=DDRMAX2?I figure that this would work, and it would also be nice since it would help relieve some stress with having certain songs on there.
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JustJeff · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:57 pm Post subject:

Unknown Gamer · Trick Member Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA

[quote="Yuujou Mamoru"]Reading through 10 pages hurts...so now, it's my turn.

First off, the whole thing about E-Rotic. When I worked at a video game store over the holidays, I had more than a few parents come in and ask about DDR. Most of them asked if the songs had anything bad in them. If the mixes had E-Rotic in 'em, I would've said yes, and they would've walked, period. DDR isn't about the hardcore. Konami isn't gonna please just a cult following. If you think otherwise, get used to disappointment. Konami has two groups to please. One, the consumers. Not 1/100,000th of the consumers, but as much of it as it can. And, two, itself. Konami's a business. And they will please themselves by making this available to as many people as humanly possible. E-Rotic has about as much of a chance of making it as Elvis. End of story.
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Okay. I don't think you were paying any attention to what we have been talking about here. Yes, some of us are talking about wanting E-ROTIC in an American DDR release... and here is the thing, if you were paying attention, you would see that we're not talking about songs like 'Do It All Night' or 'Nick Please Not So Quick' as possible candidates to make an appearance stateside. You're right, DDR isn't about the hardcore, and when you get down to it, E-ROTIC is as uncore as Milli Vanili

Okay. I don't think you were paying any attention to what we have been talking abou here. yes, some of us are talking about wanting E-ROTIC in an American DDR release... here is the thing, if you were paying any attention, you would have seen that we're NOT talking abotu songs like 'Do It All Night' or 'Nick Please Not So Quick' as possible candidates to make an appearance stateside. We are talking about songs like 'Cat's Eye (Ventura Mix) which is a seriously tamer than tame Eurodance song (It could be a perfect song to follow up 'Synchronized Love'!), and other songs with 'mild lyrics' (ESRB's words, this CAN get passed on an E game) such as 'Kiss Me' and 'In The Heat of the Night'.

You're right. DDR is NOT about being hardcore, but since when did E-ROTIC get hardcore? Please! E-ROTIC (compared to the likes of Snoop Dogg, Li'l Kim, 2 Live Crew just to name a few. I know the music style is not the same, but I think you know what I'm trying to say.) is just as tame as any other premanufactured European Pop Act (Spice Girls, 2Unlimited, C&C Music Factory, La Bouche, I could go on for DAYS!)

Also, I am NOT asking Konami to please me and/or some cult following. What I AM asking for is Konami to take a chance and spend some money on licensing a song from a great European pop act that has made some great songs! And even though I am NOT for censorship and 'trying to save the children of the world from naughty music', I am willing to take a step back from my own personal tastes (If I had my choice, we would get Do It All Night or Test My Best) and ask/wish for something more tame. (Like 'Cat's Eye', or 'Kiss Me'.)

Also, I would stake my reputation on this. That if the American consumers, mostly DDR newbies that would (This is a guess on my part.) see the game in the store, buy it, take it home, play a song like Cat's Eye or Kiss Me and say 'Hey! This is a cool song!' and be pleased that this cool song was included in the game they spend X amount of money on. (Oh yeah, and don't give us that 'Konami is a business' crap. We're not all idiots here posting away just to see our word up online. Some of us DO take consideration of what we're saying when we say it.)

Let me ask YOU a question, if there WAS an E-ROTIC song in the game, but it was as tame as tame can be... 'Cat's Eye' (Remember, this is a tamer than tame song.) for this example, and if a parent came in, would you still them that it's dirty because a group called 'E-ROTIC' is in it? Hell, you might as well tell them NOT to buy Konamix because of Sexy Planet and the suggestive noises around the end of the song! or not to buy any mixed with Trip Machine because of the sample of the woman's voice moaning 'Give it to me good'! Also, I KNOW that these parents ARE asking YOU, but seriously, who are you to pass on the opinion of what is appropiate or not? (Especially in the case of music, hell why don't you start playing the games and pick out any suggestive phrases! Like 'damn' or 'hell' or whatever!) If anything you should remind them about the ESRB ratings and let them judge from the ratings and the subtitle underneath. I mean, seriously.

And another thing, I'm going to drop some reality. Elvis has as much chance of being on DDR as I have of spinning hay into gold! An Elvis song would cost a GRIP!!! Now, The ONLY thing that is stopping the reality of E-ROTIC appearing on an American DDR is: 1) Bros. Music (or if there is any othe record company in the USA with E-ROTIC signed under them.) asks for WAY too much money for a license, or 2) Konami of America decides that they simply do not want to go in that direction. (Hopefully it's no.1, because I would HATE to think that Konami would decline because of the name of the group alone.)

Anyway... that's it for me, for now. o_o E-ROTIC ROOLZ U!!! ;P

(You know what? Now I really hope someone at Konami sees this and makes the whole E-ROTIC thing happen! That would be sweet. :D Heh! Speaking out WORKS! ;P)

Dark Hogosha · Trick Member Joined: 12 Feb 2002 Location: Dubuque, Iowa

First off, I read all ten pages. Second off, don't talk down to me. I didn't deserve that. And, as far as the issue...let me put it this way. If a band like Rotting Christ or something did some sappy power ballad (COMPLETELY unlike anything else they do), a parent would probably flip just over the name, even if the song is of the likes of Aerosmith's "Angel". Now then. E-Rotic. That doesn't exactly strike a note of purity with most parents. Association is a huge thing in corporate America...parents associate rap and metal with violence and drugs and whatever else they want to, and, no matter what someone says, they aren't gonna change their minds. I love Cat's Eye, but I'm not expecting to see it on anything anytime soon, simply because of the association that E-Rotic has with sex. If E-Rotic (didn't they break apart?) turned into a Christian Pop group all of a sudden and sung about nothing but Jesus, people will still associate E-Rotic with sex. People, might I add, who buy video games. The power of the dollar is incredibly strong in this world, unfortunately. That, and...well, E-Rotic isn't all that great...I mean, as I said, I love Cat's Eye, but that's about it as far as E-Rotic goes...maybe a little Gimme Gimme Gimme every now and then, but eh. If they're gonna go with a licensed tune from the older games, it's probably gonna be Butterfly or Captain Jack or something, simply for the popularity factor.

And, point of reference...Sexy Planet isn't on Konamix. That DEFINITELY would not have flown well.
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scytheboiVIRTUAL · Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2003 9:43 pm Post subject:

Um, guys, Sexy Planet is NOT in Konamix.

EDIT: My bad! someone beated me to it, lol ^-^

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Unknown Gamer · Trick Member Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA

Damn. Sexy Planet isn't on Konamix? I could have sworn that it was! Damn 4th/Extra Mix interface!! (It's sad too, with as many times as I have played Konamix too!) Egg on my face, eh?

Anyway. Let me make something very clear. My post was in no way meant to talk down on you, flame on you, etc. And I'm really sorry if I sounded that way. I guess it just didn't sound as bad when I was typing it.

Hey, if anything, from what I've seen of them, your posts are the more intelligent that I have seen on this thread. ;P (No disrespect to anyone else.) Anyway, again, I'm sorry, nothing personal was intended by my last post.

So yeah. Let's be friends. :P Or not. :) Okay, peace.

Unknown Gamer · Trick Member Joined: 19 Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA

Oh yeah, and you're right. People do associate things with other things a lot in America... but also take this into mind, there are also parents out there who associate the kind of music seen in DDR (rave, techno, and whatever) as the kind of music played at raves and that sort of thing. And what do most people think when they think raves? Well, thanks to the sensationalistic media: They think drugs, booze, sex, general madness. I mean, you could look at it in any light, SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is ALWAYS going to find something wrong with EVERYTHING. It can't be helped.

Oh yeah, and just for kicks and info. The current status of E-ROTIC is, yeah, they still exist. But they have a new singer, a cute brunette named Lydia who has a sweeter tone to her voice than the E-ROTIC singer we are used to seeing in DDR. They have two upcoming albums: Cocktail D'E-ROTIC (Japan) and Total Recall (Germany). Total Recall is supposed to consist mostly of '2002' (2003 now probably) remixes of E-ROTIC's greatest hits. While in Japan, were the group could never be more popular, the album will consist of the usual eurodance, reggae style, ballads, and even J-Pop style music. :P So yeah, I know too much about E-ROTIC. ;P

Peace.

Udderdude · Trick Member Joined: 01 Dec 2002 Location: Toronto, ON

Well, I've seen a couple of wish lists so far. How about a non-wish list? Here's a list so hideous, Konami would have to have gone insane to make it. DDRMAX 2 : Big pile of crap mix

Repeats :
La Senorita
Orion 78 AMEuro Mix
Let Them Move
Cutie Chasers

New :
Kakumei (crashes 3 seconds in due to bugs)
Maxx Unlimited (crashes 4 seconds in due to bugs)
Tsugaru (plays fine but the arrows don't unpause after the initial pause)
So Deep (all arrows are up for some reason?!)
Pink Dinosaur
Only You
Butterfly
My Baby Mama
The 7 Jump
Walkie Talkie
The Reflex

Exculsives :
Healing Vision ~Pink Dinosaur Mix~
I Like to Move it ~Speed Mix~
Let Them Move ~Amplified vocal mix~
Afronova ~Meow Mix~
The Mop Song (made by the unemployed Konami US janitor)
4'33" by John Cage

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Crash!

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